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South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« on: Tuesday 22 October 13 13:08 BST (UK) »
Hello all,

I am pretty green when it comes to South Australian Research and was wondering if a Rootschatter could help out with a death lookup for me.

I am trying to find details on the death of Richard Griffey (b. 1808 Devonshire) who I believe died in 1885 in Adelaide.

In the Genealogy SA website (http://www.genealogysa.org.au) database search there is an entry in the death index for a:

Richard Griffey - year 1885, reg 148/12, district Adelaide

And Ancestry confirms this with the following entry:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Richard Griffey
Death Date: 20 Jul 1885
Death Place: Adelaide
Age:    77
Residence Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 12
Volume Number: 148
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1808

I would love to know what the details are on the certificate and I understand from State Library of South Australia that deaths of this period are covered in an index with the following details:

1842-1972
Compulsory Civil Registration started in 1842. Death Indexes compiled by the South Australian Genealogy Society are available on CD ROM on the PCs in the Spence Wing, for the date ranges 1842 to 1915 and 1916 to 1972. These include the surname of the deceased, the given names, gender, age, marital status, residence, date and place of death, relative's given names, surname and relationship to the deceased. These CD ROMs can only be searched onsite. Click here to arrange a booking.

Is anyone able to look this index up for me? Or is this the same detail covered in the Ancestry entry?

How much does it cost to buy a certificate in SA? I would love to know what he died from and what he was doing in SA  ;)

Jenny


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Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 13:39 BST (UK) »
You can get free Adelaide BDM transcriptions here
http://www.gravesecrets.net/adelaide-bdm-free-transcriptions.html

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Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 13:45 BST (UK) »
The cd has only these basic details. Early SA death certificates don't have any other useful info.

Richard GRIFFEY aged 77 d. 20.07.1885
Status not recorded
Relative: (not recorded)
Residence and Death Place was Adelaide
Ade/ 148/12

The Biographical Index SA has this entry. (BISA not always accurate)
GRIFFEY Richard b: c1808 ENG d: after 1885
arr: 1861 from VIC 0cc: Seaman res: Adelaide rel: C/E

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Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 13:50 BST (UK) »
JenClark,

It looks like a death certificate costs $44.75. Quite steep I think!  :P

But as Essie's post says, if early SA death certificates don't have any other useful information, then it may not be worth getting it!

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Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 21:56 BST (UK) »
Hey Ros, Essie & Chris,

Thanks for your replies guys :)

$44.75 does seem a bit steep doesn't it, particularly when there is not much info on the certificates...but the free transcription service for Adelaide looks like a winner! I think I will e-mail them and see what it says ;)

Thanks for the info from the BISA, it is looking more like him. He was a seaman and his sister Mary Jane Perrers (nee Griffey) had emigrated to South Australia in 1859, so he had a reason to head there in 1861. There is a group of Irish Griffey's in Adelaide, so I wanted to make sure he was my Devonshire Richard Griffey...looking good!

Jenny
Clark, Sommerlad, Bowden, Barrett, Griffey, Sayers, Bridge, Walters, Pollard, Capel, Dibble, James, Lingard, Mensforth, Watts, Rutherford, Stainton, Chatterton, Tubbs, Thompson, Fulton, Booth, Sellwood, Edwards, Pitcher, Creech, Johns, Phillips, Roberts, Keast, Tregonning, Mason, Lancefield, Ibberson, Green, Case, Cook, Dunham, Porter, Pope, Hall, Welsh, Hellefield, Warburton, Fletcher, Foster, Stiles, Tait, Nicoll, Sutherland, McIntyre, Cole, Neal, Ladlow, Bellamy, Castleton, Barker, Yuill

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Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 22:04 BST (UK) »
FYI
There are some GRIFFEY in Victoria at that time, but no "activity" is shown on the BMD indexes for Richard.
Sue

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Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 October 13 01:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Jenny

https://sphere.ocba.sa.gov.au/cgi-bin/fccgi.exe?w3exec=PrepApplic&w3ServerPool=bdmsa

This is the link to apply for a death certificate from SA Government records - cost about AUD$40 (not cheap).

I did a quick search in Trove (http://trove.nla.gov.au/) without success and also Australian Cemeteries (http://www.australiancemeteries.com/) without success.

Regards

Bob

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Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 October 13 02:20 BST (UK) »
From my resource.  Marital status was not recorded on death certificates until 1907.

GRIFFEY Richard
20 Jul 1885    77 years  Status not recorded Relative not recorded
Residence Adelaide    Death Place Adelaide   Ade Symbol S  148/12

S. Supplementary Information. Additional unusual information included such as:
·   Previous Residence Listed.
·   Length of Residence in Colony Stated.
·   Deceased Child's Father is Deceased.
·   Deceased Maiden Name is Listed.
·   Junior/Senior of Deceased is listed.
·   Younger Son
·   Prison
·   State Child.
·   Guardian Named.
·   Adelaide Destitute or Lunatic Asylum listed as Residence or Death Place.
·   Unusual Death or amount of information on circumstances of Death.
·   Sister of Church if known as -  religious name stated.
·   Fuller details available re deaths at sea - longitude and latitude.
·   Final names reduced to initials due to space problems
·   Remarriage on post 1906 registrations unusual enough to warrant this.

DEATHS -
1842-1907
    Date of Death
    Name
    Sex
    Age
    Occupation
    Usual Residence
    Cause of Death
    Place of Death
    Informant

Yes there are the volunteers at Goodwood library who will transcribe info from the local register and SA Genealogy research service but there is also this service - half the price of a certified certificate.
http://www.jaunay.com/transcription.html

Mention of a R GRIFFEY in 1865 - there were a number of other GRIFFEYS in SA at the time but none with a given name commencing with an R.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wk9/

An online tree states that Mary Jane GRIFFEY born c1820 died 15 April 1855 aged 34 years at Bideford - address Mills Street, Bideford and her husband remarried in 1856 to either another Mary Jane GRIFFEY/GRIFFEN or Mary PENNETANT before emigrating in 1859.  The Mary Jane PERRERS who died in SA was born c1814 according to her age at death in 1899.

I found this mistranscribed death on free bdm. 

Deaths Jun qtr 1855
PERRENS    Mary Jane         Bideford    5b/368

BISA

PERRERS Jonathan M. C. born c1821 DEV ENG
Arrived 1859 DAVID McIVER
Occupation Carpenter
Religion  Methodist
Married Mary Jane born c1816 [this age is taken from the shipping list]
Children Mary Louisa c1846-, Wm Tardrew c1848-1897, Amelia c1850-, Rickman c1852.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/davidmcivor1859.shtml


Cando


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Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 October 13 14:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks Cando, Bob and Sue  ;)

I will e-mail the Goodwood Library and see what they say first I think, but thanks for the other transcription link.

How intruiging about the 'Symbol S' or supplementary info....I wonder what it is!! Hopefully something interesting that will help me out  ;)

Thanks for the link to the newspaper article mentioning a voter named R Griffey in 1865, it could well be him.

As for the Perrers family, what I had is below:

Mary Jane Griffey - baptism 1 May 1814 to William Griffey & Elizabeth Clark
Mary Jane Griffey & Jonathon Marshall Collins Perrers - marriage Dec Q 1843 Bideford (vol 10, p79)

1851 census - Silver Street, Bideford, Devonshire

Jonathon M C Perrers Head M 29yrs Painter & Glazier b. Holworthy, Devon
Mary Jane Perrers Wife M 29yrs Wife of Painter & Glazier b. Bideford, Devon
Mary Louisa Perrers Dau 5yrs b. Bideford, Devon
William T Perrers Son 2yrs b. Holsworthy, Devon
Amelia Perrers Dau 1yr b. Holsworthy, Devon

So this Mary Jane appears to be born c. 1822, and so does Jonathon Marshall Collins Perrers (who was baptised 19 July 1821 Holsworthy Devon)

I had not seen the second marriage...so assumed that the age was mistranscribed as the shipping record showed:

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/davidmcivor1859.shtml

David McIvor, 868 tons, Captain Robert Baillie, from Liverpool 27th August 1859, arrived at Port Adelaide, South Australia 28th November 1859

General Emigrants    
Perrers    
Jonathan Marshall Collins Perrers 38yrs  Occ: Carpenter / Painter  Residence: Bideford, Devon    
Mary Jane Perrers (Griffey) 43yrs                   
Mary Louisa Perrers 13yrs                   
William Tardrew Perrers 10yrs                   
Amelia Reb__lea_ Perrers 9yrs                  
Rickman Perrers   7yrs

So that put his wife Mary Jane Perrers (nee Griffey) as born c. 1816, which was a much better match

and her death in SA:

Mary Jane Perrers
Died: 12 Nov 1899
Place: Adelaide
Age:    85yrs (b abt 1814)
Residence: Adelaide
Registered: Adelaide, South Australia (Page 293, Vol 265)


Confirmed in the newspaper:

Newspaper article: The Advertiser, Saturday 18 November 1899
PERRERS--On the 13th November, at Brown street, Adelaide, Mary Jane, dearly-beloved wife of John Marshall C. Perrers, aged 85 years.
 
Which seemed to fit nicely.............

But perhaps she was his second wife and not the mother of his children, who are all born pre-1855? As per the second marriage..

Mary Jane Griffey & Marshall Perrers - Sept Q1856 Bideford (Vol 5b, p905)

What are the chances of someone marrying two women of the same name  :o

I guess that the first Mary Jane Griffey may be a relative and perhaps the second came to assist with the children when his first wife died and they eventually married?? Though I haven't got any other Mary Jane's of the right age in the tree....curious!

Actually now that I think of it, there was a Mary Ann Griffey who is the right age listed with her parents in 1851 that I could not place....perhaps it is the second Mary Jane mistranscribed??

1841 census - Tower Street, Bideford Devon (HO 107 242 12)

William Griffey, age 50, plumber Y
Elizabeth Griffey age 50 Y
George Griffey age 30, painter Y
Mary Jane Griffey age 20, plain worker Y
James Griffey age 20, tin plate worker Y
William Griffey age 15, shoe maker apprentice Y
Thomas Griffey age 15, tailor apprentice Y
James Griffey age 50, mason Y

1851 census - HO107/1895/159 p 20 Tower Street, Bideford Devon

William GRIFFY Head M 67 M Plumber b Bideford Devon (deaf)
Elizabeth GRIFFY Wife M 68 F b Bideford Devon
Mary Ann GRIFFY Daur U 36 F Dau b Bideford Devon
James GRIFFY Lodg W 62 M Mason b Bideford Devon


Perhaps I will try to have Mary Jane Perrers death certificate transcribed as well...it may have a clue!

Jenny
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