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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #18 on: Friday 25 October 13 14:51 BST (UK) »
Have you seen the marriage entry of Francis and Charlotte? Do the witnesses provide any clues?

I think the two Rebecca Sabey burials in 1851, two days apart, are one and the same Rebecca. When the workhouse found where she was from they shipped her body back to Bolnhurst for burial.

I think Joseph was probably born in 1792, the son of William and Sarah (Throssell) - on baptism in Bolnhurst on 20 Oct 1795 he was age 3. But there's also a Bedford Gaol entry
Name: Joseph Sabey Age: 21
Date of Offence: 21st December 1814 Offense: Bastardy
Height: 5 ft 9 inches Hair colour: Brown Complexion: Fresh
Number of children: 0
Residence town: Colmworth

This was only a week before he married Rebecca. Whilst I can't see a baptism of a child I suspect that the Overseers leaned on him, obtained a marriage licence, and marched him down the aisle.

Thanks to John who got me heavily involved in Boaz Sabey, with whom I have no blood relationship, or more specifically the Lugsdens, I now have a tree on Ancestry with 837 people on it, not one of whom is connected to me. I'm now the world's leading expert on Lugsdens from Beds, London, Canada, US (but not Australia who has its own Lugsden expert).

It's possible that Lt Staughton Baptist Church book might include details of when Francis was admitted into membership of the church and where he was from.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #19 on: Friday 25 October 13 15:15 BST (UK) »
I have not seen the marriage of Francis and Charlotte I only know that;
Francis Sabey to Charlotte White 1790 Bolnhurst as Pallots and that there was a forum topic regarding an adult baptism at Bolnhurst of Francis Sabey on 15 Nov 1790 and a birth year of 1760. It also has a member submission of a marriage of Francis Sabey to Charlotte White on the same day. confirmed by John P Rootschat.

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It's possible that Lt Staughton Baptist Church book might include details of when Francis was admitted into membership of the church and where he was from.
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I think we must hope that one of the wonderful Rootschatters may be able to help with this as I have no idea! I have just being searching around the earlier families for some inspiration. Boaz was the brother of 'my' Ruth.

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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #20 on: Friday 25 October 13 17:56 BST (UK) »
Just to confirm, Francis Sabey married Charlotte White at Bolnhurst on 15 Nov 1790. On that same date there's a baptism of Francis Sabey, aged about 30 years.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #21 on: Friday 25 October 13 18:26 BST (UK) »
Joseph SABEY to Rebecca FISHER or HALL marriage 28 Dec 1814 Colmworth
Licence: Joseph Sabey of Bolnhurst and Rebecca Fisher alias Hull of Colmworth 27 December 1814
Was she Rebecca Fisher bap 4 Jun 1790 d of William and Susan at Northill Beds? Why was she alis HULL?

Have you disregarded Rebekah "daughter illegitimate of Sarah Hull" baptised at Colmworth on 30 Sep 1798 ? ...... as on 27 Mar 1798 Richard Fisher married Sarah Hull at Colmworth...
 
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Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #22 on: Friday 25 October 13 19:31 BST (UK) »
When you're totally stuck, as you are with Francis, you have no option but to pursue every possible angle. And the witnesses at his 1790 marriage might provide a clue as to both his and Charlotte's lines. Siblings were often witnesses. The transcripts prepared by Beds Records Office, from which John and I largely work, don't include witnesses for marriages. But you can order and view the microfilm at your nearest LDS Family History Centre.

The full 1750 census of Bolnhurst can be found at http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/ArchivesAndRecordOffice/CommunityArchives/Bolnhurst/BolnhurstInhabitants1750.aspx  John Saby wasn't the owner of the land as the landlord was John Lawson Esq, and the rent was £45pa

BLARS holds the Little Staughton Baptist Church book but I can't tell if this just a register of births and baptisms or whether it includes other detail (which Southill and Blunham which I have certainly do). It too has been filmed by the LDS so it's something you could check yourself on microfilm at the LDS.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #23 on: Friday 25 October 13 20:10 BST (UK) »
The Little Staughton baptist chapel registers (which includes baptisms & burials) have been transcribed & available to download from Colmworth & Neighbours history society site...... take downloads then other downloads links...

http://www.colmworthhistory.org.uk/#

One of the names you will see there is Edmund Ward, farmer of Thurleigh;  well he stood surety for the marriage licence dated 18 Nov 1785 for William Saby are 21+, labourer of Bolnhurst to Sarah Throssel age 21+ of Thurleigh.

Edmund Ward is mentioned as a member of the congregation between 1766 & 1776 in the Little Staughton Meeting  booklet by H G Tibbutt published 1951, along with Fortune Fisher of Colmworth
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #24 on: Friday 25 October 13 20:34 BST (UK) »
The licence transcript dated 1 Oc 1771 for Thomas Hartop, farmer of Keysoe to marry Sarah Seaby of Bolnhurst has her aged 24 (so born c 1747). Surety was given by Dan Worship of Eynesbury, Hunts
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 26 October 13 07:03 BST (UK) »
Edmund Ward is mentioned as a member of the congregation between 1766 & 1776 in the Little Staughton Meeting  booklet by H G Tibbutt published 1951, along with Fortune Fisher of Colmworth
This is the sort of information that I would hope to find in the transcript of the Church book, which is doubtless where H G Tibbutt got the detail from for his booklet
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Thurleigh Parish Records
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 26 October 13 07:11 BST (UK) »
The licence transcript dated 1 Oc 1771 for Thomas Hartop, farmer of Keysoe to marry Sarah Seaby of Bolnhurst has her aged 24 (so born c 1747). Surety was given by Dan Worship of Eynesbury, Hunts
Thanks John, that's useful information, although I'm not sure where it leaves my supposition that she was the unnamed Sabey child born 25 Feb 1745. Either she's another child whose birth wasn't recorded in the back of Bolnhurst parish register which would possibly make more sense of the 1750 census which says that there were 8 people in the household, or else her age of 24 was a couple of years adrift. These non-conformists are a pain!

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell