RAMSEY

[DoireM]

Aghadowey,

Found a death for Mary Jane Ramsey, died in Nazareth House on 26 August, 1895. Age 24 years.  Born in Enniskillen.

[aghadowey]

Thanks to lots of new online resources I have found more details on the Ramsey family of the original request, so here's an update:

William Ramsey (c1836), son of Francis & Rose Ann, m.(28 June 1866 Co.Derry) Mary Jane O’Donnell. Known children:
1.   Mary Jane Ramsey (29 Jan.1867, 5 Harvey St.-6 Feb.1867 Harvey St.).
2.   Thomas Ramsey (29 Jan.1867, 5 Harvey St., Derry).
3.   Henry Ramsey (14 Apr.1868 Harvey St.-20 May 1868, Harvey St.).
4.   Rosanne Ramsey (22 June 1869 Fort Hill St., Enniskillen). died 1871 Enniskillen dist
5.   Mary Jane Ramsey (1 Mar.1871 Enniskillen). died 26 Aug.1895 Derry (thanks DoireM)
6.   William Ramsey (16 Aug.-16 Aug.1873, Harvey St.).
7.   Anne Ramsey (16 Aug.1873 Londonderry-d.y.).
8.   William Ramsey (23 July 1874 Derry). died 1936, married Mary McGowan
9.   John James Ramsey (21 June 1877, 7 Harvey St., Derry).
10.   Anna Eliza Ramsey (21 Oct.1879 Derry).
11.   Francis Ramsey (c8 July 1882 Wapping La.-18 July 1882 Wapping La.).
12.   Francis Ramsey (30 Oct.1884 Derry-20 Oct.1916) m. Annabella Johnston

[Sarahlou1994]

Hello,

I'm not feeling particularly hopeful of getting a reply as this has been dormant a while but.....

My great-great grandmother was Mary Anne Shiells (born Ramsey). She married a ....... Friel and had a daughter Rose Ann Friel in 1865 in Londonderry. She then remarried to James Shiels in 1868 in Londonderry.
According to the marriage records her father was Francis Ramsey.

I am struggling to find anything else!
I know she had a daughter called Bridget Shiells in 1906, who at some point moved to England and married Leonard L W Vincent in Surrey.

Any help would be much appreciated

[Elwyn Soutter]

Here’s Rose Ann’s birth cert which tells you her father was Daniel Friel, and that he was deceased by the time of her birth on 9th April 1865 in Wapping Lane, Derry.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03563/2312240.pdf

There is a death that matches that in 1865, for a Daniel aged 25. You can view the original death certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

If I have followed your post correctly, you have said that Mary Anne had Rose Ann in 1865 and then she had Bridget in 1906, 41 years later. That doesn't seem right? Have I misunderstood?

[Sarahlou1994]

Elwyn,

I know.. it really doesn't make sense. I can't find birth record for Bridget... only death which states her birth and from my grandfather know she was born in Ireland and moved to England in the 1920's, and that her mother was Mary Ann Friel before marrying Shiels (which is the name given on the marriage certificate). Really struggling with the Irish side.

[Elwyn Soutter]

I don’t see any marriage in the civil records on GRONI for Londonderry, between James Shiels and Mary Anne Friel. Have you got the details?

I looked for James & Mary Anne in the 1901 Irish census but couldn’t see them. Any idea where they were living in 1901?

[Sarahlou1994]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ5-HPB

Here is the record for the marriage

I have no idea... I am wild guessing at Londonderry area as everything on documents that can be found is in that registration district

[aghadowey]

I can clear up a few things here but need to check other things a bit more. In no particular order-

I looked for James & Mary Anne in the 1901 Irish census but couldn’t see them. Any idea where they were living in 1901?
Mary Ann, a widow, died in 1894 so no census records for either.

She married a ....... Friel and had a daughter Rose Ann Friel in 1865 in Londonderry
Makes sense as Mary's mother was called Rose Ann/Rosanna.

Mary Ann's father, Francis Ramsey, was born c1811 in Aghadowey. Ramsey cousins were visiting today and we were discussing the Derry connections 

[Elwyn Soutter]

Well obviously if Mary Anne died in 1894, she wasn’t the mother of Bridget born 1906. There must be another generation in the middle there. I looked for Bridget Shiels in the 1911 Irish census. There are 19 of about the right age but none was born in Co. Derry.  Without a place of birth and accurate parents names, it may be hard to trace her.

Aghadowey may know more about the family though.