Author Topic: RAMSEY  (Read 10561 times)

Offline aghadowey

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 44,249
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 12 October 17 23:01 BST (UK) »
LDS show marriage (1 Sept.1868) to James Sheills & Mary Ann Freill, widow, daughter of Francis Ramsey-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ5-HP1
GRONI, however, show James Sheills to Mary Friell
Please do NOT ask for lookups by Personal Message.

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline aghadowey

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 44,249
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #28 on: Friday 13 October 17 15:44 BST (UK) »
Sarahlou1994-
Is your Bridget (Shiels) Vincent the one who died in 1978 Surrey N.W. district? If so, birthdate given as 16 Apr.1906 (https://www.freebmd.org.uk).
Using this birthdate I then searched for a Bridget Shiels (or similar surname) born in Ireland and came up with this one-
Bridget Shiels born 16 Apr.1906 at Churchtamlaght, Co.L'derry to Daniel Shiels & Mary Brennan (her twin sister Mary is the entry above)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01743/1688159.pdf
Arthur born 1907 Granagh townland-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01669/1664554.pdf

Now, here's where it might start getting complicated. 1911 census- looks like Mary married to ___ Ried (Reid?) with her 3 stepsons- little Arthur and 2 born in England-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Killoquin/Granagh/130041/

Daniel Sheils died 1907 Granagh-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05541/4553915.pdf

Does any of this sound like it could be your family?
Please do NOT ask for lookups by Personal Message.

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline Sarahlou1994

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 9
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #29 on: Friday 13 October 17 19:49 BST (UK) »
That’s the Bridget yes... sorry Mary Brennan is who’s twin?

Offline aghadowey

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 44,249
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #30 on: Friday 13 October 17 21:14 BST (UK) »
If you click on the links in my post you will see that Mary was Bridget's twin born before her.

Your Shiels family weren't living anywhere near Derry (city) and I can't see any connection to our Ramseys/Friels- I haven't come across any Daniel Shiels or even blacksmiths in our family.

So, what makes you think that Bridget Shiels was related to Mary Ann (Ramsey) Friel Shiels?
Please do NOT ask for lookups by Personal Message.

Offline Sarahlou1994

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 9
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #31 on: Friday 13 October 17 21:58 BST (UK) »
My grandad (Bridget’s son) told me about it when going through some old things and found some papers/pictures

Offline aghadowey

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 44,249
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 14 October 17 00:23 BST (UK) »
The children of James Sheils & Mary Ann Ramsey that I know about at the moment are-
Francis Sheilds (1 Mar.1869 at 42 Long Lane) m.(1889) Elizabeth Creswell
John Shiels (26 Mar.1871 at 31 Fountain Pl.)
Margaret “Maggie” Shiels (5 Mar.1873 Fountain St.)
Robert Shiels (1 Mar.1875 Fountain St.) m.(1904) Mary Jane (Givens) McLeod
Elizabeth “Lizzie” Shiels (21 May 1877 at 35 Fountain St.)
Sarah Shiels (9 Oct.1878 at 3 Fountain St.) m.(1902) William McElroy

If your Daniel Shiels died in 1907 age 32 then he was born c1875. So, there should be a birth registration. Marriage certificate should list his father's name & occupation.

Based on location of family in 1900s this is one possibility for Daniel's birth- but makes the Derry (city) connection less likely-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03117/2143042.pdf
Can you give us more details about these old 'papers/pictures'? or ask other members of the family if they know anything else to help sort this all out?
Please do NOT ask for lookups by Personal Message.

Offline Sarahlou1994

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 9
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 14 October 17 15:58 BST (UK) »
I wish I'd copied them all
Ok so I can see the Bridget and Mary being twins born to Daniel Shiels and Mary Brennan, and I have found their marriage date (4/9/1901 Belfast) and found a marriage between Mary Shiels (widower) and James Reid for 28/10/1909.
However the 1911 census makes no sense (or maybe it's just me) as it does not have either Bridget or Mary on it who would've been 5/6 then or James Reid (and according to Mary's entry he is still alive) and I cannot find a census entry for any of those three anywhere.
i just want to try to link up the fact that Bridget got pregnant in 1926/27 and got sent over to England.

Offline aghadowey

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 44,249
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 14 October 17 16:57 BST (UK) »
The marriage of Daniel Shiel & Mary Brennan gives his father as William Shiel, farmer- looking less and less likely to be connect to my family in Derry City. Also my Shiels family in Derry were Presbyterian at that time, not Catholic.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10315/5755103.pdf

To save others from searching here's the 1909 Reid/Shiels marriage-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10031/5648872.pdf

Remember that the census return just shows the occupants of a household on one particular night. However, in 1911 Bridget is William & Jane Shiels in England-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWHD-LGW
The above record is a transcription so contains errors. I believe William Shiels' birthplace should be Finvoy, Co. Antrim (not Fenvoy). Finvoy is in the same area as Granagh (near Ballymoney).

The more details I'm finding on your family the less and less likely it is that we've a connection.
Please do NOT ask for lookups by Personal Message.

Offline aghadowey

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 44,249
    • View Profile
Re: RAMSEY
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 14 October 17 17:11 BST (UK) »
1891 census 16 year old Daniel Shiels with father William & others- Daniel born Stockton on Tees NOT Ireland. Birth registered there July/Sept. quarter 1874. 1881 census parents are William & Isabella and same birthplace given.

Gravestone of William Sheils, etc.-
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=158938331&ref=acom

So, the question now is what were those papers which said the family were from Derry, etc. Could it have been someone attempting to do a family tree but tracing the wrong people?
Please do NOT ask for lookups by Personal Message.