Does anyone know where these places are?

[Old Bristolian]

An interesting article. So does this mean that I should put "Mintey, Gloucestershire" in my notes given that the marriages took place in the 17th century when [according to this article] Minety was in that county, even though the transcripts of the Marriage Licence Allegations say "Wiltshire" (these were published in 1892 so at that time the parish was in Wilts). Does this mean Maintey, Mynetee, and Minety are the same place?


Yes, I would assume just variant spellings. I think that in the 17th century only a small part of the parish - just 40 acres including the church- were in Wiltshire & the rest was Gloucestershire.

Steve

[MattD30]

Could well be Bernard with a strong West Country accent!! It may of course be a surname used as a Christian name to preserve a family connection - does it occur later in the family?

Steve

I agree with you about the pronounciation with a strong accent. These are the only occurances of the names Silvester and Barnard that I have found. Silvester's son John married a woman named Mary although I do not know when or where. Their son was another Silvester [born 1701/02 Hankerton] who married a woman named Alathea (although again I do not know where or when yet).

This last Silvester and Alathea were the parents of John Keen who was born in Chisledon in 1730. Until recently I had only got back as far as John and only had an approximate birth year for him (1729) based on his age at death. I had thought there was a link to the parish of Broughton Giffard as I had found a John christened there in 1728/29, but then I found John's baptism in Chisledon in 1730 and considering the rest of my Keen/Keene family were all centred in Wanborough and Chisledon this one was a more likely candidate as Broughton Giffard was quite a way away. However there was another connection, John had named one of his daughters Alathia and as that name had not appeared in the tree before it seems likely to be that she was named after her paternal grandmother.

John and Alathea had ten children including my diret ancestor Thomas Keene (1754-1817) and he had nine children including my 3x great grandmother Jane Keene (1808-1874).

Just a quick update here. John Keener (son of Sylvester and Sarah) married Mary Wyatt in 1701. Their son Sylvester was married to Alathia Skinner in 1729.

Matt

[Capetown]

Google

Minety marriages 1620-1837

and there re 7 Keen marriages - earliest being

Ann KEEN, Spinster, of Garsdon marrying Samuel PITMAN at Lydiard Tregoze - 27 October 1698

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Wiltshire and Swindon Archive Catalogue Wills Search list 20 KEENE's

which include

John KEENE  (Yeoman) - 1670 of Minety - Inventory, Will
Barnard KEENE (Yeoman)  - 1690 of Gardson - Inventory, Will
Mary KEENE - 1694 of Garsdon - Widow  - Inventory, Will
Jane KEENE - 1685 - Widow - Minety
Edward KEENE - 1714 of Hankerton - Adminstration bond, commission, inventories (two)
John KEENE - 1721  of Gardson - Admistration Bond

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Richard WOODROFF (Yeoman)  of Garsdon - Inventory Will 1680
Alice WOODROFFE of Gardson - Widow - Inventory Will 1681


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Duncan & Mandy's website is full of photographs of churches/graves etc - can search by name - lots of new pictures of the Church at Garsdon Wiltshire


http://www.oodwooc.co.uk

[MattD30]

Could well be Bernard with a strong West Country accent!! It may of course be a surname used as a Christian name to preserve a family connection - does it occur later in the family?

Steve

I agree with you about the pronounciation with a strong accent. These are the only occurances of the names Silvester and Barnard that I have found. Silvester's son John married a woman named Mary although I do not know when or where. Their son was another Silvester [born 1701/02 Hankerton] who married a woman named Alathea (although again I do not know where or when yet).

This last Silvester and Alathea were the parents of John Keen who was born in Chisledon in 1730. Until recently I had only got back as far as John and only had an approximate birth year for him (1729) based on his age at death. I had thought there was a link to the parish of Broughton Giffard as I had found a John christened there in 1728/29, but then I found John's baptism in Chisledon in 1730 and considering the rest of my Keen/Keene family were all centred in Wanborough and Chisledon this one was a more likely candidate as Broughton Giffard was quite a way away. However there was another connection, John had named one of his daughters Alathia and as that name had not appeared in the tree before it seems likely to be that she was named after her paternal grandmother.

John and Alathea had ten children including my diret ancestor Thomas Keene (1754-1817) and he had nine children including my 3x great grandmother Jane Keene (1808-1874).

Just a quick update here. John Keene (son of Sylvester and Sarah) married Mary Wyatt in 1701. Their son Sylvester was married to Alathia Skinner in 1729.

Matt

A correction to the above - John Keene married Mary Wayt not Wyatt.

Matthew

[MattD30]

I hoping someone can help me identify the parish from which my ancestor Silvester Keen was from.

Silvester Keen married Sarah Rymer by Licence in 1671. The Licence was issued by the Vicar General of the Archbishop of Canterbury. The entry in "Allegations for Marriage Licences Issued by the Archbishop of Canterbury 1669-1679" [Harleian Society 1892] states the following:

1671
April 6: Silvester Keen, of Mainty, co Glouc, Husbandman, Bachelor, abt 20 at his own disp, & Sarah Rymer, of the same, spr, about 21, with consent of her mother; alleged by Barnard Keen, of Geerson, WIlts, Yeoman; at Geerson, Malmsbury, or Hankerton.

Barnard Keen may have been Silvester's brother but I have no evidence of this yet although I suspect the two men are related.

Barnard Keen was also married by Licence (again issued by the Vicar General of the Archbishop of Canterbury) in 1667. In his case the entry states:

1667
April 17:
Barnard Keene, of Mynetee, co Glouc, Yeoman, Bachelor, about 30, & Mary Woodroofe, of Geerson, co Wilts, spr, about 18, with consent of her father Richard Woodroofe, Yeoman, at Hankerton or Crudwell, Wilts.

Mainty and Myntee are abviously the same place (just spelt differently by whoever wrote them down) but I have been unable to find it on a map. Silvester's son John Keen was born in Minety, Wiltshire in 1672 and I did think they might be the same place but it clearly states in both cases that the place in question is in Gloucestershire.

Also does anyone know where Geerson is?

Hope someone can help,

Matthew

Thanks to a set of Wills, a Bill of Complaint in Chancery, and an Inventory I have now been able to place Minety (or Myntie) in Gloucestershire. I have also been able to connect the family to the parish of Iron Acton and identify four more members of the family.

Matt

[Shirl_R]

Matt

Could Geerson be 'Garsdon', which is not far from Minety and Hankerton, etc?  See:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol14/pp89-95
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol14/pp119-126

[MattD30]

Matt

Could Geerson be 'Garsdon', which is not far from Minety and Hankerton, etc?  See:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol14/pp89-95
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol14/pp119-126

Yes I think you're right. Barnard Keen of Garsdon was married in 1667 by licence in Minety (spelt Myntie in this case) and I am sure he is related to Silvester Keen who married Sarah Rymer there in 1671. It is possible they are brothers but I haven't found any evidence of that yet. I have recently ordered a copy of Barnard's Will from the Wiltshire archives so that might give me some clues.

Thanks for the links

Matt

[MattD30]

Matt

Could Geerson be 'Garsdon', which is not far from Minety and Hankerton, etc?  See:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol14/pp89-95
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol14/pp119-126

Yes I think you're right. Barnard Keen of Garsdon was married in 1667 by licence in Minety (spelt Myntie in this case) and I am sure he is related to Silvester Keen who married Sarah Rymer there in 1671. It is possible they are brothers but I haven't found any evidence of that yet. I have recently ordered a copy of Barnard's Will from the Wiltshire archives so that might give me some clues.

Thanks for the links

Matt

I have now established that Silvester and Barnard were brothers and that they had a brother named Thomas. The evidence came from two books about coaching and waggoners including the following book "Carriers and Coachmasters: Trade and Travel Before the Turnpikes" which described Thomas, Barnard and Silvester as brothers. Also I now have Barnard Keene's Will.

It looks like they may have come from Gloucestershire before moving into Wiltshire, however I haven't yet found their parents.

Matt

[Capetown]

National Archives
Date: 1603-1625

Reference: C2/Jas1/F5/57

Description:  Freeman v Webb.
Plaintiffs: Samuel FREEMAN and Richard HEYDEN (on behalf of Joan SAWYER, Alice SAWYER and Ann SAWYER, infants.


Defendants:  Edmund WEBB, Edward PEARCE, Anne SAWYER, Thomas WILKES and John KEENE


Subject: Lands in Minety, Gloucestershire, late of John SAWYER

Document type: (pleadings)

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Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608

Minety (now in Wiltshire)

John GENE - has one corslet furnished

(so a piece of Armour, no age given or stature, so must have been other than a labourer etc)



Have you looked at the Forest of Dean website:

Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds - 1730-1823

There are at least 3  KKEN(E) listed from Minety

Emanuel KEEN - Grazier, to Elizabeth MASLIN - 25 March 1741
William KEEN - Chandler, to Sarah LEECH - 30 November 1747
Sarah KEEN - to Thomas hall, Farmer, - 15 February 1776