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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 01 December 13 20:44 GMT (UK) »
They are not wound stripes they are sea service chevrons.

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I see wound stripes on both Idris & Rees, they are too small for good conduct stripes.
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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 01 December 13 20:53 GMT (UK) »
For Tudor they are not wound stripes but Sea Service Chevrons cant comment for the soldiers.
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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 01 December 13 20:58 GMT (UK) »
There is a hired yacht Lapwing used as a hospital ship tender, that is the sort of thing someone RNVR might have been involved on.
It was later renamed |Peewit III
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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 01 December 13 20:59 GMT (UK) »
For Tudor they are not wound stripes but Sea Service Chevrons cant comment for the soldiers.
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Hugh

Roger!  & I don't know about sailors.   :'( :'(
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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #31 on: Monday 02 December 13 07:59 GMT (UK) »
I don't want to add further to the confusion, but there is a Merchant Seamen's Ticket (114375) on Find my Past for a Tudor Williams, born 25 May 1895, Swansea. With this is an identity photograph, and to my eyes the shape of the chin and ears of your Tudor look the same, although the id photo is of a slightly older man, being taken in the 1920's.

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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #32 on: Monday 02 December 13 11:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you one and all! I have now had time to digest all of this info and it does seem very likely that my great uncle was the Tudor Christmas Williams discussed. A family member has left a note that Tudor was on minesweeper duties during the war (and became an engine driver later), so that ties in with the converted trawler Lapwing II, Hugh. The family lived at 20 Stuart Street, not 24 Stewart Street, but Iīm putting that down to transcription error. I have written to my cousin to ask whether she knows of the Garden City address. Thank you Westmoreland for the info on Idris and Jool for identifying Olive/Clara but I am grateful to you all for taking such an interest in my enquiry.

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« Reply #33 on: Monday 02 December 13 13:48 GMT (UK) »
Have heard back from my cousin and she has confirmed that Tudorīs wife, though christened Clara, didnīt like the name and preferred to be known as Olive so that explains that. Tudor did indeed end his days at Garden City. This info from Tudorīs niece, now in her nineties. Thanks for all the help with him. I know Iīm being greedy but if anyone can supply more on Idris and Rees, the soldiers in the picture, we should be very grateful.
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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #34 on: Monday 02 December 13 22:39 GMT (UK) »
Gareth,
Just a little more on Tudor Christmas.
He is wearing 3 Sea Service Chevrons on his right arm and on his other arm there looks like a good conduct badge issued at that time for 3 years good conduct (undetected crime). I suspect the top photo is dated between 1918 and 1922 and the bottom photo earlier.
There are two files (service records) for him as indicated in my post #9.
Tudor Christmas Williams appears to have served as a signalman and was awarded the 1914-15 Star, The Victory Medal and The British War Medal for service during WW1.

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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #35 on: Monday 02 December 13 23:15 GMT (UK) »
Good evening,

The 2 soldiers in photo 1 are wearing overseas service stripes on the right arm, approx. 2 1/2 ins across.

LSGC stripes are the same as rank chevrons but worn point up on the left arm, approx 5 ins across and 3 ins up from the cuff.

Wound stripes are vertical 2 in stripes worn on the left arm above the cuff and below the LSGC.

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