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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 December 13 19:07 GMT (UK) »
If we are talking about Tudor Christmas Williams, He was in the RNVR, which would fit nicely with LAPWING II - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7703150

However, the same man has a file in ADM 339 for the RN Division - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7259529 so we need to establish if it is Tudor Williams or Tudor Christmas Williams we are looking for.

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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 December 13 19:18 GMT (UK) »
Iīm overwhelmed with all this info! Keyboard86 you are right about the family, Rees and Anne were my great grandparents (Emily, their daughter was my maternal grandma). Tudor was the sailor but I donīt have another name for him, though if it was Christmas then I assume he was born on Dec 25th (like another great uncle on my fatherīs side of the family!). Idris went on to be a Baptist minister and Iīm trying to follow him through his life - Iīm pretty certain he was in Cradley Heath in the 1930īs and wrote a book about the history of his church. HAvenīt started on Rees yet.

Thank you to everyone for all of this,

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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 December 13 19:24 GMT (UK) »
There is a Tudor Williams who was RNVR. Born 28 May 1897 his address given to the RN was 1166 Neath Road, Plasmarl, Swansea
Tudor Christmas Williams was born 24 December 1891 his address given to the RN was 24 Stewart Street Merthyr Tydvil
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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 01 December 13 19:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gareth, on Freebmd there are other Tudor Williams born around 1892 in Wales, but only one in Merthyr Tydfil (Tudor Christmas Williams).   Have a look here to see of you think any others are possible from the locations.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 01 December 13 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Just trying to establish if Tudor Christmas is your man or not.  His probate in 1956 lists his address as 43 Garden City, Penydarren, Merthyr Tydfill, died 6 April 1956, administration to wife Clara Williams.  Effects Ģ1108 8s 8d.    Does the wife's name or address mean anything to you.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 01 December 13 19:50 GMT (UK) »
There is a tree on Ancestry with lots of family photos including the one you have of the 2 sailors.  This tree doesn't mention a middle name for Tudor and has his wife as Olive Hutson, not Clara as the Tudor Christmas probate record shows.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 01 December 13 19:51 GMT (UK) »
My cousin, who has the originals of these photos, has another picture of the three brothers taken in the back garden of 20 Stuart Street Merthyr. I donīt think there is a Stewart Street but maybe thatīs just the spelling that the person writing it down used. As far as we know Tudor was married to Olive Hutson (b1894) and they had three children, the youngest (David A Williams) born in 1923. All three brothers seem to have survived the war. What else can I tell you to help? Iīm really amazed at what you are all finding.
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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 01 December 13 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Gareth, your confirmation that he married Olive not Clara has ruled out the Christmas fella.

After thought..... unless he married Clara after Olive died ?
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: First World War Uniforms : Identification please?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 01 December 13 20:04 GMT (UK) »
Interesting....  here is Tudor's marriage on Freebmd

Tudor C Williams
Clara Hutson. So Clara and Olive were the same person  :o
Dec Q 1918 Falmouth
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton