George Green Clifton Bedfordshire

[pastline]

George Green born 1801 living Clifton Bedfordshire on1841 census with his wife Ann Green but both are missing on the 1851 census and their children are living with relatives. Any information appreciated.

[dawnsh]

Hi pastline

Welcome to Rootschat 

I've moved your request to the Bedfordshire board, hopefully someone will come along soon to help you out.

Dawn

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Pastline
Welcome to Rootschat

They're a mysterious family as I can't find them in 1851 either, nor any obvious burials.

A 15 year old Rhoda Lewington was living with them in 1841, and there's a marriage of George Green and Ann Livintion on 4 Feb 1830 in Clifton, which looks to be the right couple. Rhoda Lewington was baptised on 28 Aug 1825 in Clifton, the daughter of Charles and Ann Lewington, and there's a burial of a Charles Lewington in Clifton in 1825, so perhaps Rhoda in 1841 was Ann's daughter by a first marriage. Have you checked the marriage entry in Clifton parish register to see if Ann was a widow and to see who the witnesses were?

Charles Lewinton married Ann Kitchener in Clifton on 11 Oct 1824, which explains why two of the Green children were living in Arlesey in 1851 as nephew and niece with a Kitchener family.

None of which explains what happened to the Greens!

Both George and Ann gave their age as 40 in 1841 ie age 40-44, so born between June 1796 and May 1801. I can't see an obvious baptism for either of them. Ann's brother William gave his birthplace as Hinxworth Herts in 1851.

What else do you know about them?

David

[bedfordshire boy]

Intriguing that the William who was aged 6 in 1841 who I've found living in London in 1881 named a son Warner. Now I've done look ups in the past for Warner Green in Clifton/Shefford, and as I don't believe in coincidences I'll see what else I can find.

More later

David

[bedfordshire boy]

A Warner Green was baptised at Meppershall, Beds, on 15 Oct 1807, son of John and Sarah.

John and Sarah also baptised George Green in Meppershall on 23 Dec 1802

John Green married Sarah Green in Meppershall on 17 Sep 1789

They baptised 10 children in Meppershall but they don't appear to have always baptised them promptly, and did them in bunches:
4 Apr 1793 John and Elizabeth (a long time after their marriage)
5 Apr 1795 William
23 Dec 1802 Catherine and George (big gap from 1795)
15 Oct 1807 Rebecca, Warner and Mary
3 Aug 1809 William
12 Aug 1811 Samuel

I think George could easily have been a late baptism, which would give his birth between 1796 and 1801 to fit his age in 1841.

Warner age 30 was living in Clifton in 1841, with, presumably his mother, Sarah age 65

Would take more work to tighten up the link between George and Warner, but on the face of it they look to be brothers.

Still don't know happened to George and Ann though!

[bedfordshire boy]

I think I may have reinvented the wheel here! See a very old thread, before I joined Rootschat, at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2760.30 which includes the information about the marriage of George and Ann - George Green otp = Ann Lewington widow otp. George left his mark, Ann signed. Wit: William Kitchener, Mary Green & William Scott. By banns. William Kitchener was presumably Ann's brother, with whom two of her children were living in Arlesey in 1851. William also married in Clifton, to Frances Soal

There are other threads at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=260328.0 and http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=4057.msg599106#msg599106 in which I was involved

Not sure yet about the Kitcheners which the other threads reckon came from Ampthill. Ann's brother William was born and baptised in Hinxworth, so I'm taking Ampthill with a large pinch of salt at the moment.  I'll have a look at them this afternoon.

[LizzieL]

The 1851 census has William Kitchenor's pob as Hinxworth. The two Green children living with him and his family are listed as Parish Relief under "occupation". There are deaths registered for three Anns and one George for Biggleswade reg district in the period between 1841 and 1851 censuses.
Ann:  Q4 1841 6 36, Q2 1843 6 40 and Q1 1848 6 61
George: Q2 1847 6 44
But would need to someone with access to Clifton burial records to check.
 

[bedfordshire boy]

I checked on these deaths back in Feb 2006 and posted "The Jun 1847 George was age 30 at Biggleswade. The three Anns were aged 80 at Southill; 16 at Campton, and 85 at Old Warden."      ie not the right George and Ann

[bedfordshire boy]

I've just posted the following on the 2004 thread

"This is a very old thread, and geniedi hasn't logged in for a couple of years, but I'll post this anyway.

Geniedi reckoned that Ann Kitchener was born in Ampthill c1800 (presumably the Ann Baptised on 5 Apr 1801, the daughter of James and Esther). I disagree!

In 1851 two of Ann's children were living in Arlesey with their uncle William Kitchener. William was 54, born Hinxworth, Herts. There's a baptism in Hinxworth on 14 May 1797 of William Kitchener son of John and Ann. William Kitchener was one of the witnesses at Ann Kitchener's first marriage in 1825 in Clifton, and William himself married in Clifton in 1821. So it's not unreasonable to assume that Ann and William were siblings.

But as William's parents were John and Ann I don't follow how Ann daughter of James and Esther could have been his sister. John and Ann in Hinxworth baptised three further children there, in 1801, 1804 and 1807 - but no Ann unfortunately.

So whilst I don't think Ann was the one from Ampthill, I can't prove, other than circumstantially, that she was the daughter of John and Ann in Hinxworth"