George Green Clifton Bedfordshire

[bedfordshire boy]

This is the conclusion that I came to in reply #5, although I was wrong about Warner in 1841 living in Clifton, who must have been the one baptised in 1809 from Stanford Mill, Southill, not the one baptised in 1807 in Meppershall who was married and was a policeman in London. Not helpful of the two of them to both have mothers named Sarah! (Later edit: not helpful either that I'd forgotten that six years ago I'd sorted out these Warners - see next post!)

But if by "b 1807" you mean born 1807, I don't necessarily agree. He was baptised in 1807 along with two other siblings so could have been born at any time between 1803 and 1807.

[bedfordshire boy]

The two Warners who were living together in Shefford in 1851, uncle and nephew, appear to have died in 1852 and 1853 in Biggleswade registration district. I don't suppose you have the death certs which should give ages and thus differentiate them? One or other of these, probably the younger, seems to have married in the Sep quarter 1851 in St Martin in the Fields, London, to Harriett Odell. The licence dated 28 Jul 1851 shows that Warner was of the parish of Compton (sic) in the county of Bedford, a bachelor (both Warners were bachelors in 1851). Compton looks to be an error for Campton, in which parish Shefford was situated.

It is the second Warner ( b. 1807 at Woodhall)  that is a puzzle as I can find no records of him on the census and only a possible death record in St. Lukes 1847.

See a 2007 thread on this board which explains all - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=260328.10. There's a lot of information about Warner in this thread. He was 42 at death, a policeman.

Now it gets embarrassing, as when looking for inspiration for Warner Green in Ancestry trees I find that I have the 1807 Warner in my own tree, only because he married into my Daniel family from Southill. I also failed to realise that I'd done work on him for the 2007 thread. I show him as marrying Mary Elizabeth Whitteridge Spencer at St Andrew Holborn on 2 June 1834, both otp.   She was born in wedlock, and was baptised as Whitteridge age 26 at Haynes Beds in 1834, shortly before she married, so I've no idea why she used the surname Spencer. I had established her maiden name as Whitteridge from the 1851 census living in St Luke with her brother William Whitteridge - Mary Green head widow  41 Lodging house keeper b Beds; children Elizabeth 14*, George 12, Mary Ann 9, Samuel 6, Fanny 3, all born St Luke; William Whitteridge brother unm 30 b Haynes, Beds. In 1841 her mother Martha née Daniel, and siblings were living at Peerless Row, St Luke, enumerated as Whittridge.

I can't find Warner or his eldest daughter Elizabeth in 1841 but living at Pool Terrace, St Luke were Mary E Green, not born in Middx, & George Green 2 b in Middx. The 2007 thread shows that their son Samuel was born at 22 Pool Terrace, taken from his birth cert, so this is the right family.

So it seems more than likely that it was the Warner Green baptised in Meppershall in 1807 who married Mary Elizabeth Whitteridge from Haynes, Beds in Holborn and he was the one who died in St Luke Middlesex in 1848 age 42. But as he was otp when he married in Holborn and as we can't find him in 1841, there's no nice neat link between Meppershall and St Luke. But it's the right Warner!

David


* There's an interesting baptism in Hoxton on 5 March 1890 of Elizabeth Sarah Green, born 16 Jan 1837, daughter of Warner and Mary Elizabeth, policeman. Mary Elizabeth Whitteridge's birth is registered in Cotton End Independent & Baptist Church book, so it looks as though she continued to be non-conformist after her marriage which is why I can't find infant baptisms of any of her children

[johnP-bedford]

I looked at this topic last week & found a Warner Green buried at Clifton on 6 June 1853 aged 43 whose abode was Shefford.

Also by chance I have the Campton cum Shefford MIs to hand and there's an entry on a headstone of William Green died 13 July 1826 aged 54; also of Warner Green died Feb 1852 aged 78. This was next to grave of Martha late wife of John Green of Shefford who departed this life 2 June 1792 aged 49; which is next to grave of John Green who died 19 Dec 1809 aged 70. I assume they are all related.

Any use to you?

[bedfordshire boy]

Excellent! Thanks John. That fixes the two Warners who died in Shefford. Still don't know which one married Harriett Odell, but that's not relevant to this thread

[LizzieL]

Maybe coincidence but in 1861 at 56 Tachbrook Street Westminster, Harriet Green widow age 40 b Northants. Living with her is brother Charless Odell age 36 b St Albans, Herts. Harriet is listed as a fundholder. In 1851 there is a Harriet Odell visiting the Carter family in Bedford born Northampton and of independant means, but she is listed as 40 (not 30) but other things seems to fit. One of the Carter children was born in Shefford as was a 12 year old lodger with the family, so the family have some connection with Shefford. 

[bedfordshire boy]

Good find Lizzie!

My Mastermind specialist subject is following red herrings and chasing wild geese! I just can't resist.

Harriett seems to have had two more siblings. Sarah born 1807 in Woburn who married Robert Manderson in 1826 at St George Hanover Square, and Joseph born c 1821 in St Albans. The three of them were living together in Hornsey in 1881

[johnP-bedford]

Interestingly from the Shefford MIs; in the plot next to William & Warner Green lies Mary Odell who died 14 Oct 1860 aged 82 years; is she related to Harriet Odell.

Another headstone there is for William Green born in Hitchin, Herts on 3rd May 1772; died at Shefford 20 Nov 1837 in his 66th year. Also of Elizabeth Green relict of the above died 23rd Feb 1848 aged 76 years.     

[LizzieL]

Found Harriet Odell (age 25) in 1841 living with Thomas (age 65) and Mary Odell (age 60) in St Albans (where two of her brothers were born). Thomas and Mary not born in county. Also with them is George Manderson age 6 born Herts. So the Mary buried in Shefford could be her mother

[LizzieL]

George Manderson bapt 22 February 1835 in Redbourn Herts parents Robert Manderson and Sarah, so confirms that he's Harriet's sister Sarah's son