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Re: George Green Clifton Bedfordshire
« Reply #27 on: Monday 16 December 13 19:52 GMT (UK) »
I can't see any Green burials in Meppershall after 1761. If John and Sarah lived there until 1820 what then happened to them? Were they buried in Campton? John age 72 in 1842 and Sarah age 66 in 1835?
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
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Re: George Green Clifton Bedfordshire
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 17 December 13 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Burials at Campton cum Shefford
John Green 15 May 1842 age 72 abode Campton
Sarah Green 27 Feb 1835 age 66 abode Campton

William Green 25 Nov 1837 age 65 abode Shefford
Warner Green 26 Feb 1852 age 78 abode Shefford (lately a baker)

BLARS have the will of Warner Green, butcher of Shefford who was buried at Clifton on 6 Jun 1853 aged 43. He names his brother Samuel Green & brother in law John Odell as executors & leaves to his beloved wife Harriet Green ......... & something to nephew James Weston. Will dated 14 Apr 1853 & witnessed by Joseph Odell, proved 28 Oct 1853.   

There was another will of John Green, mealman & baker of Shefford dated 1 Dec 1809 which leaves £50 to son John Green of Woodhall near Campton and the main assets including Stanford Mill & his house in Shefford going to three sons Thomas Green, William Green & Warner Green so they can carry on the family bakering business.
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Re: George Green Clifton Bedfordshire
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 18 December 13 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Familysearch has a marriage for Elizabeth Green dau of Thomas (not John) to James Weston son of Joseph at Southill on 8 Apr 1841 and baptism of James Joseph Weston son of James and Elizabeth at Biggleswade on 21 Sept 1845. Would need checking to see if Elizabeth's father is correct
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
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Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: George Green Clifton Bedfordshire
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 18 December 13 13:54 GMT (UK) »
Just found bapt for Elizabeth Porter or Green on Familysearch on 4 oct 1793 at Campton, mother Sarah Porter or Green, a few years before she married Thomas Green. But she'd be too old to be the one who produced a child between 1841 and 1845
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: George Green Clifton Bedfordshire
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 18 December 13 14:12 GMT (UK) »
On 1851 census Elizabeth Weston b 1807 Southill is living in High St, B'wade. She is the widow of a retired grocer. With her is James Joseph Weston age 5 and two daughters. There is a baptism of a female child to Thomas and Sarah Green on 16 Jan 1807 at Southill. Familysearch just has dots for christian name, so I suppose it was unreadable.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: George Green Clifton Bedfordshire
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 18 December 13 14:58 GMT (UK) »
There is a baptism of a female child to Thomas and Sarah Green on 16 Jan 1807 at Southill. Familysearch just has dots for christian name, so I suppose it was unreadable.
The PR transcript shows her as Mary, on 10 Jan 1807

But these are the Southill family possibly cousins of George, the subject of this thread.
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: George Green Clifton Bedfordshire
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 19 December 13 09:57 GMT (UK) »
Yes, we've located cousins and siblings and no sign of George and Ann staying with or living near them in 1851. No clue either from where there children ended up.  I have just trawled through the Clifton village history website but the only reference to Greens is the Green family from Shefford being vaccinated against smallpox in 1825. James Joseph Weston bought the Fox and Duck public house  in 1869 - maybe spending his inheritance from uncle Warner. That's the one that became Clifton Arms for a few years and changed to the Clifton Korai just when we moved to the village.
I think the most likely thing is that George and Ann have died but far from home so very difficult to trace. Their youngest two children are noted as receiving poor relief in 1851, so that would indicate that their parents weren't able to support them. Since the parents aren't in the workhouse as paupers I think the only conclusion is that they are dead. Although George is recorded as a farmer on his children's marriage certificates, on the 1841 census he is "Ag Lab" so maybe he lost his job or became physically unable to carry on as a farm labourer. Maybe he worked for cousin Warner at Pedley Farm and wasn't kept on by the new tenants when Warner gave up the farm to become a butcher in Shefford. On one of the older threads on this family it was suggested they might have emigrated, but it would be unusual to leave small children behind - presumably to follow on later. But to be told by brother Warner (the policeman in London) that there were good job opportunities there seems more likely. To leave the children with a relative for a short time while they establish themselves just 50 miles away isn't unreasonable. But the plan went wrong when accident or illness befell them and the poor children found themselves orphans.  Someone (possibly uncle William Kitchener) would have to apply for the Parish Relief on their behalf and I presume would have to satisfy the authorities that they were entitled to it by submitting copies of parents' death certificates.
A possible scenario.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: George Green Clifton Bedfordshire
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 19 December 13 20:23 GMT (UK) »
The first son John, born 1833, per the 1841, a baker, married Frances Sole (of Clifton per subsequent censuses)  in Poplar in 1862. His father was named as George Green, farmer (again not deceased) and one of the witnesses was Sarah Ann Green

Sarah Ann Green father George Green farmer (again not deceased) married in 1866 in Dalston, Hackney to William Kitchiner father William Kitchiner baker. Witnesses John and Frances Green. What odds they were related?

Samuel Green, baker, father George Green, farmer married Mary Ann Whitworth on 18 Jun 1865 at Clerkenwell. In 1871 aged 30 born Beds the family was living in Bethnal Green. It looks to be the right Samuel.
As far as what happened to George Green’s children: they all moved to Middlesex/ London.
-Sarah  ( b.1838) as mentioned above.
-Samuel  ( b. 1841). On the 1911 Census is living in Hackney  with his wife Mary Ann. Occupation - carpenter.
- William (b.1835) - 1871 Census he was a master baker. In 1911 living in Bow, East London with his youngest son Robert. William’s occupation - fishmonger.
- John ( b. 1833) - on 1861 Census working in a grocers shop in Highgate , North London, then in 1901 - the proprietor of a bakery and bakers shop in Southgate, Middlesex.
But still a mystery about parents - George and Ann.
Once again, thank you for the information, it will take me some time to take it all in.
Peter.