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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 02 January 14 00:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

I can see three births indexed as being registered in the Sydney metro area in 1913 that may be worth following through, two are also indexed a second time, but I cannot easily see the Marrickville lad being twice indexed.

CANTERBURY DISTRICT
#2868 
A Male FOUNDLING, also indexed under UNKNOWN surname and UNKNOWN male given name. 

MARRICKVILLE DISTRICT
#6839
An UNKNOWN surname, Unnamed Male
BUT NO ENTRY under foundling

NEWTOWN DISTRICT
#27205
A Male FOUNDLING, also indexed under UNKNOWN surname and UNKNOWN male given name. 

Re the 1898 Roy Chamberlain… there’s also one in 1897.   I realise that meggles has eliminated these chaps but may I note:
RChat’s Australian Resources Board  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=399.0
then it’s NSW Child Board  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0
then the Sydney Benevolent Asylum Index (the online index only goes to 1900, but I am adding this here to help demonstrate to others following this thread some of the difficulties you may well have encountered)
On that Asylum Index:
There’s a Roy CHAMBERLAIN admitted 31 August 1897, and discharged 6 Sept 1897 and there’s a Violet Chamberlain admitted 21 August 1897 aged 20, and discharged aged 20 on same day as Roy was discharged.  So, to me, the NSW BDM index gives this 1897 as  #18681 and  Violet is indexed as Violet E.   I would expect Meggles is looking for 1912-1913 entries along that same general pattern.
So, may I also mention :
When searching on NSW BDM online, although they have not restored the usual wild card option, you can at least search for say r?y (in case the indexers in the 1930s misread the “o” for “a” etc).  You only need enter 1912 – 1913 and the given name as ‘ r?y ’ to give yourself a wider spread to look through.


Cheers,  JM
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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 02 January 14 00:55 GMT (UK) »


WW2 enlistment
ELLIOTT ROY : Service Number - N237796 : DOB - 29 Jul 1912 : POB - SYDNEY NSW

Place of enlistment - ARNCLIFFE NSW : Next of Kin - MEGLER JESSIE

Has this find from wivenhoe been followed up?

Cheers  JM
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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 02 January 14 01:21 GMT (UK) »
That is where Megan sourced the year of birth.

Hi - I have a Roy Elliott born 29th July 1912 in Sydney - according to his WW2 record.
(Roy died 1997)

I am looking for a birth certificate for Roy.   

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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 02 January 14 02:00 GMT (UK) »

"...all documentation has Charlotte and Matthew as the parents  (of Roy)". 

What are the documents that identify Roy as son of Matthew and Charlotte ELLIOTT, and can you indicate if Roy is  giving this information about himself eg his marriage certificate, or if someone else is giving his parents as Matthew and Charlotte ELLIOTT  eg death certificate.

The WW2 record would be useful to see how Roy identifies Jessie MEGLER.

Sometimes children moved between closely related families due to illness of mother, or family dramas etc..... which might have been happening to Jessie.  Roy might have been brought up by the Elliotts but knew them to be aunt and uncle.





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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 02 January 14 02:02 GMT (UK) »
That is where Megan sourced the year of birth.

Sorry Dundee, my poor wording.

I was trying to find out if there has been an application made to the NAA to have those service records digitised.  It can take several months as the NAA listing shows the file has not yet been examined (by Dept of Defence in case it needs "de-dacting" . 

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx for full service record

versus WWII nominal roll

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/VeteranCertificate.aspx?VeteranID=339899

Cheers,  JM
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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 02 January 14 04:40 GMT (UK) »
My brain has gone to sleep, must be the heat  :-[

For some reason I was thinking that the next of kin was his wife so the service record would probably not offer any extra family background, but as it appears to be Jessie (nee CHAMBERLAIN) then it is essential to see what it says. 

Debra  :D

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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 02 January 14 05:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi - I have applied for the ww2 records but they will take up to 3 months.
I have also requested the 2 marriages for Jessie Chamberlin but they will take 3 weeks.

The violet chamberlain who had Roy chamberlain was Jessie's sister which I have all the records on. She named her son Roy but he died in 1904. I have always thought Roy Elliott was named after this boy.  Violet and Jessie were close sisters.

Roy Elliott never knew who his real parents were and and all the documents I have are documents which Roy would of provided this info. On Charlotte Elliott's death cert Roy is not mentioned as her child so it was common knowledge that he was not biologically hers.

The fact is that Roy Elliott has to have some evidence of birth somewhere I just need to look in the right place.
Cheers Megan
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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 02 January 14 06:16 GMT (UK) »
Could it be this one? The only thing going for it is the name Roy Davis. I know Gunnedah is out of the area, but people do travel.

GUNNEDAH   1912

#29624   DAVIS, ROY    father not named, mother     LILLIAN H    

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Re: help needed with a nsw birth please
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 02 January 14 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Roy Davis b. Gunnedah 1912 appears to have died in 1913. :(

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17979221
 - Jessie's death notice (Roy not referenced, but I don't think that says much either way)

Son Richard died in WWII:
http://www.sydneymemorial.com/registrydetails.asp?ID=387
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