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Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« on: Friday 10 January 14 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone help me to trace the parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.   I believe he was married to someone called Mary.

He had children: William James Harries 1847-1906, who married Harriet Churton 1850-1917.
                        Mary Harries b1852
                        Elizabeth Harries b1858
                        Henry Thomas Harries b1861, who married Frances Myrtle Kinnear b1868 USA
                                                                                      d1944 BC Canada.

I have found a William Harries bc1817 Martletwy, Pembs in the 1871 census living with mother in law Mary Richards bc1796 Carew, Pembs - Head,
Mary Harries bc1829 Martletwy - daughter,
Martha Richards bc1862 Martletwy - Granddaughter
Henry Harries bc1865 Merthyr Tydvil, Glam - step grandson.

Have I got the right Mary for William Harries and, if so, can anyone help with his parents please?

Also, does the census mean that Mary Harries already had a daughter before marrying William, and did William already have a son Henry before his marriage to Mary?

I am confused ???
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Re: Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 10 January 14 20:07 GMT (UK) »
Marriages Sep 1867   

Harries William    Pembroke 11a- 975

Richards    Mary Pembroke 11a -975


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Re: Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 10 January 14 20:57 GMT (UK) »
Marriages Mar 1842 
EVANS    Sarah        Narberth    26-   699    
HARRIS    William         Narberth    26-   699
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Deaths Jun 1847
Harries    Sarah         Narberth
 26   647


Deaths Dec 1850   
________________________________________
HARRIES    Sarah         Narberth     26   -477


               
               
Deaths Sep 1851   
________________________________________
HARRIES    Sarah        Narberth
 26   4_7

Deaths Jun 1853   (>99%)
________________________________________
                   
Harries    Sarah Elizabeth         Narberth
 11a   419


Deaths Jun 1854   
________________________________________
Harries    Sarah         Narberth
 11a   416


Deaths Jun 1856   
________________________________________
Harries    Sarah         Narberth
 11a   400


Deaths Mar 1860   
________________________________________
Harries    Sarah         Pembroke
 11a   463


Deaths Sep 1864   (>99%)
________________________________________
Harries    Sarah         Narberth
 11a   445
   
________________________________________ 

Deaths Dec 1864   (>99%)
________________________________________   

HARRIES    Sarah         Narberth
 11a   552



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Re: Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 January 14 00:13 GMT (UK) »
From my transcript of the Monkton St Nicholas Parish Registers 1711 to 1930’s I note the following
28 Feb 1817 William to William & Mary Harries of Hundleton a Shoemaker baptized by Chas Philipps
14 Mar 1819 George to William & Mary Harries of Hundleton a Shoemaker baptized by C Philipps.
16 Mar 1823 Joshua to William & Mary Harries of Hundleton a Shoemaker baptized by C. Philipps.

William & Mary Harries (nee’ unknown at present) of Monkton did not marry in the Pembroke area.

A William Harries is baptized at Martletwy on the 09 Feb 1817

1871 Mary Richards a widow continues to farm Rushmoor (abt 5 acres) in Martletwy after the death of her husband William Richards.

1861 Wm & Mary Richards have changed their trade still live at Rushmoor Martletwy whilst Wm is a Quarry man quite possibly at Landshipping quarry and mines. 

1851 Wm & Mary are at Rushmoor, Martletwy William a labourer is farming 5 acres of land

1841 I suspect that William & Mary Richards reside at Carew next door to the French Flour Mill, now a tourist attraction, prior to their move just down the road to Rushmoor Martletwy.

I suspect that William husband of Mary Richards died in 3rd Qtr 1870 at the age of 74 yrs.

Henry Thomas Harries born 2nd Qtr of 1869 iNarberth Reg District s not baptized in any established church in the area of Carew - Martletwy

I note that Harriet Susanna Churton had been born in 1850 in the Oswestry area of Salop, the dau of Joseph & Harriet Churton of Beatrice Street Oswestry.

1881 shows that William J. Harries and his wife Harriet S. Harries are born in Liverpool and Oswestry respectively, which must call into question if you have the correct couple mentioned in the beginning of your thread. Ofcourse I may well be far wrong.

Not sure if I have helped or hindered your research

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Re: Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 January 14 15:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi genechaser

Thankyou for your reply.   I don't think that the William and Sarah Harries that you mention are mine, as my William's wife's name was definitely Mary - as confirmed on the 1861 Liverpool census, which includes their children.

Thanks anyway,

Joan
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Re: Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 January 14 15:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Orielbenfro

Thankyou for that wealth of information.

No, I'm not sure that I have the right William and Mary.   I understand William was born in Pembrokeshire - information that came from an aunt, now deceased.   He was definitely Welsh and moved to Liverpool before any of his children were born and, maybe but I'm don't know, before he was married.

On the 1861 census it clearly states that both he and Mary, his wife, were from Wales.   William was a joiner.

I have been unable to locate a marriage for William and Mary so far.

From your information, Mary Richards does not seem to be the wife of my William Harries.

Many thanks for your help.

Joan
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Re: Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 January 14 17:04 GMT (UK) »
do you have a copy of William James's birth cert? That would give you his mother's maiden name. This looks like the registration
William James Harris dec qtr 1847 W. Derby vol 20 pg 958

Lancashire Online Parish Clerk website has a likely baptism
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

William James Harris bp 20/10/1847 at St Peter's Liverpool, parents William & Mary living in Normington St, Toxteth and father a shipwright. Also, a baptism for Mary to same parents 4-7-1852.
And a possible marriage at the same church
William Harris, a joiner, married Mary Morgan 16-8-1846, his father James Harris, a farmer, her father William Morgan, a glover, both spouses residing at Queen Ann Street, and witnesses Thomas Harris & Ann Morgan.
GRO ref William Harris sep qtr 1846 Liverpool vol 20 pg 193 with Mary Morgan on the same page.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 January 14 18:56 GMT (UK) »
well, it's not an uncommon name in Wales, but there is this William of matching age and occupation

1841 Treowen, Pembroke Dock HO107/1451/1 folio 61 pg 23
James James 25 joiner
Eliza James 5
Esther Edwards 18
William Harries 24 joiner
James Harries 22 smith

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Parents of William Harries b1817 Pembrokeshire.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 January 14 18:35 GMT (UK) »
I've had another look for Mary and think I have a possible family for her. 1851 census shows a helpful sister, although they both just have Wales as place of birth. Do both William & Mary die between 1861 & 1871? There's a possible for Henry Thomas from the 1861 census in an orphanage in 1871.

1851 73 Dublin St, Liverpool HO107/2177 folio 367 pg 76
Mary Harris head mar 32 husband at Sea b. Wales
Wm. Jas. son 3 b. Lancashire, Liverpool
Cathe. Cordon sister widow 30 b. Wales
Sarah Edwards servant 21 b. Wales

possible marriage
Catharine Morgan jun qtr 1844 Liverpool vol 20 pg 214 with Joseph Simpson Cordin on the same page

possible 1841 Lower Perry St, Liverpool HO107/568/24 folio 21 pg 1
William Morgan 45 boarding master
Mary 50
Lewis 15
Mary 20
Catherine 20
Ann 15
all not born in county

possible for sister Ann & mother Mary in 1851
3 Salthouse Lane, Liverpool HO107/2181 folio 125 pg 23
Ann Morgan head 26 victualler b. Wales, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire
Mary Morgan visitor widow 71 b. Llandilo
Thomas Jones 24 mariner b. Wales, Port Talbot
Harriet Guard 17 general servant b. Falmouth

There are possible baptisms for a similar family in Llandeilo Fawr, Carmarthenshire
baptism for Mary 12 Oct 1819
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X1RN-QLR

and in same batch there are baptisms to the same parents for
Lewis 25/6/1826
Ann bp 22/12/1822
Catherine bp 11/5/1821
Margaret bp 10/7/1814
Thomas bp 21/7/1813
problem being that William does not show as a glover on the baptisms I have access to, but he is a victualler on Margaret's. Also, I'm reliant on a transcription for the marriage details, so the glover might not be correct. If you'd believe the transcription of the 1851 census, Mary's husband was at Tea! 
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb