Author Topic: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc  (Read 1340 times)

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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 11 January 14 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to bothere you again but exactly WHERE do you see the transcripts of the parish recprds..i use "ancestry.com" to search but i cant see her there

Im starting to see them now on ancestry..thanks again..
However, no sign of his father or mother..

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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 11 January 14 14:38 GMT (UK) »
St Mary Radcliffe

Jane Alence married Expofer Hardman in 157o

Cateren Alence married William Grennuth in 1572

Issabell Alence married Thomas Smythe in 1561

Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 11 January 14 14:58 GMT (UK) »
St Mary Radcliffe,
Two burials prior to Hughs marriage,

31st August 1558
Margaret w of Willym Alens,

14th October  1558
Wyllim Alens
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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #12 on: Monday 19 February 18 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I have also come to a stop with Sir Hugh. Has anyone recently found more information ?

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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 20 February 18 14:26 GMT (UK) »
St Mary Radcliffe

Jane Alence married Expofer Hardman in 157o

Cateren Alence married William Grennuth in 1572

Issabell Alence married Thomas Smythe in 1561
Expofer was probably a short way of writing Christopher (X = Christ).
Cateren would be Catherine.

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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 20 February 18 15:04 GMT (UK) »
Was this a son of his? Baptism 23rd March 1583/4 St Mary, Radcliffe, Edward Alens, son of Hugh Alens.
There was also Edward Alence,  son of Andrue Alence baptised at same church 1576.
3 Edward Alens/Allence/Allins marriages, Prestwich, Bury and Radclife, 1604/5, 1610, 1614.
2 Edward Allens burials, Radcliffe, 1620s.
(Lancashire Online Parish Clerks)

Was he not mentioned in any histories of Bury or Radcliffe?

A quick glance at Visitation books didn't turn him or his family up. Did he have a surviving son? King James visited Lancashire during first 2 decades of 17thC. A son & heir, if still alive, would have been presented to the king or been mentioned somewhere, with his pedigree. The king was handing out knighthoods to any man eligible.

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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 20 February 18 20:41 GMT (UK) »
Might it be snr not syr and just a way of differentiating between two Hugh's perhaps father and son? I see Ancestry just has the transcription with a name nothing else.

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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 01:27 GMT (UK) »
A family named Allen living in *Redvales, was mentioned in "A History of the County of Lancaster", Victoria County History volume 5 pp128-133. Townships: Bury
See: British History Online
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol5/pp128-133
Footnote 41 says that Captain John Allen was summoned by the Herald for the Visitation of Lancashire 1664/5. Pedigree in Raines manuscript (Chetham's Library)
The Radcliffe pages of "A History of the County of Lancashire" list an Allen among the principal inhabitants. (See footnote 66 on Radcliffe pages)

There were 4 Heralds' Visitations to Lancashire: 1533, 1567, 1613 and 1664-5. Texts of 1567 and 1613 Visitations are on Internet Archive.
See: www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/sources/visitations.shtml
See also this article about Heralds' Visitations which mentions non-compliance or reluctance of heads of some families in providing information to the Herald and accuracy or otherwise of pedigrees.
www.thornber.net/famhist/htmlfiles/visitations.html

John Allen of *Reddivalls appears in 1664-5 Visitation in Allen of Broughton pedigree as husband of Anne, daughter of Isaac Allen of Prestwich. Isaac was a younger son of William Allen of Sheldon, Warwickshire. I couldn't find John Allen's own pedigree to see if he was any relation to Hugh Allen.

*Redvales is situated between Bury and Radcliffe.


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Re: The Mysterious (Sir) Hugh Allens, Alens Allen etc etc etc
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 20 March 18 15:33 GMT (UK) »
To Beneviega,
The Lancashire Parish Register Society published the Radcliffe Parish records in their volumes numbers 60 and 61, I don't know where you reside but many Libraries hold copies for you to look at. I have copies which I can look at for you If you have particular entries you want to see. You can buy them but they are like 'hens teeth', not many about and quite expensive.