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Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« on: Saturday 18 January 14 02:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I'm looking for siblings/parent of Mary Ann James, b. abt 1823 Co Carlow.  She married Frederick Hitchins (b. abt 1823) in Australia in 1840, and died in Waverley, New South Wales, Australia, in 1907.  Any help would be appreciated, thanks  :)

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Re: Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 April 14 14:02 BST (UK) »
Hi,there is a website irishgenealogy.ie which has the Church of Ireland records for county Carlow online.I looked from 1810-1830 and found 3 baptisms:

Baptisms:
Mary James
parish:Aghold
date of baptism:4 Apr 1812
parents:William James/Elizabeth James

Mary James
parish:Aghold
date of baptism:5 Nov 1815
parents:Thomas James/Elizabeth James

Mary James
parish:Aghold
date of baptism:18 May 1828
parents:John James/Jane James

this is by no means a complete listing.There are many James in county Carlow during this time period without any other info it will be hard to narrow down the correct birth record for her.Looking at the Tithe Applotment books for Carlow 1814-1838 there are James' in the following parishes:Ballinacarrig,Barragh,Cloydagh,Dunleckny,Fenagh,Moyacomb,Myshall,Old Leighlin,Rathvilly,Sliguff,Tullowmagimma and Tullowphelim. In Griffiths Valuation 1848-1864,its pretty much the same.You could go to your nearest LDS(Latter Day Saints)library and go thru the parish registers for these parishes in Carlow but without a small clue as to parents it will be hard to figure which parents are hers.Did you try getting a copy of her marriage cert and her death cert in Australia? There may be a clue or two on those.Or if she ever became an Australian citizen you could check there.You really need to locate any Australian records on her first as for the time period Irish records are very scarce.Sadly.Hope this helps,Kim

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Re: Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 October 17 12:47 BST (UK) »
Hi, just wondering if you found out any more on Mary Ann Hitchins (nee James). She was my 3rd Great Grandmother. I was under the impression her father's name was: John James, on Mary Ann's death certificate it stated he was in the British Royal Navy, 'HMS Interpreter'. Research has come up with no details of any ship called 'Interpreter'. Although, notes from my 2nd Great Aunt, state he was: "an interpreter of languages with the Navy"... I have searched Navy/Military Records for months and come up with Zero! It is more likely he was a potato farmer, during the famine and sent his two children (Mary Ann age 16 & John age 20) to Australia for a better life. Another family story retold by the grandaughters of Mr. James;  - far fetched & possibly the truth stretched by Mary Ann - who loved to tell a good story, said: "he lost his arm defending Lord Nelson in the Battle of Trafalgar". I have some information on Mary Ann, aka Marianne James, also her nickname was 'May', I found this out from a death notice in the local newspaper; Source: Trove Newspaper Archives, trove.nla.gov.au.
Marianne's brother - John James, was age 20 and a painter by trade when he travelled with her to Australia.  "John James came to Australia aboard the "Westminster, a 610 ton barque, Captain Mollison, departed Plymouth 27 August 1839, arrived Port Phillip 15 December 1839, Frederic Hitchins in Intermediate; Marianne James and John James, in Steerage, Public Record Office Victoria, Assisted Passenger Lists, Book 2, pages 37 and 45." I have some other information, about Marianne James and Frederic Hitchins, re: their meeting aboard the 'Westminster' and falling in love. 

Adding to this: from the death notice for Mary Ann Hitchins (Source: Trove Archives Gov Aust), I have these names listed as her siblings/closest family:   Belle Burke (James); William Henry James; Emma Hooper (James); George James; Charles James and Margaret James.  This is more of a lead/thread to follow up.

John James that died in Aust, (Source: www.findagrave.com)
Birth:    1819
County Carlow, Ireland
Death:    Apr. 10, 1899
Brisbane
Brisbane City
Queensland, Australia

 
Family links:
 Spouse:
  Isabella McMaster James (1826 - 1900)*
 
 Children:
  Margarert James Westaway (1846 - 1910)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 
Burial:
Toowong Cemetery
Brisbane
Brisbane City
Queensland, Australia
Plot: 11 17 3

He married: Isobella Mcmaster, born: 1826 Dumfries, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland, United Kingdom
Death:   September 1, 1900 (74)
Ref: 1900/B611, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Place of Burial:   Toowong Cemetery, Toowong, Brisbane City, Queensland, Australia
(Source: www.findagrave.com)


Looks very like this could be our Mary Ann's brother, the painter.

Also, just found this now : https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=99821328
Margaret  Westaway (nee James)
Birth:    Sep. 16, 1846
Korumburra
South Gippsland Shire
Victoria, Australia
Death:    Apr. 29, 1910
Brisbane
Brisbane City
Queensland, Australia

Wife of Edwin Westaway
Age 84 years
 
Family links:
 Parents:
  John James (1819 - 1899)
  Isabella McMaster James (1826 - 1900)
 
 Spouse:
  Edwin Westaway (1839 - 1923)*
 
 Children:
  Ellen Westaway Martindale (1869 - 1953)*
  Charlotte Isabel Westaway Sawyer (1871 - 1941)*
  Annie Force Westaway Henderson (1873 - 1968)*
  William Westaway (1878 - 1878)*
  Margaret Westaway (1881 - 1933)*
  Alfred Westaway (1891 - 1891)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 
Burial:
God's Acre Cemetery
Brisbane
Brisbane City
Queensland, Australia
 
Record added: Oct 29, 2012
Find A Grave Memorial# 99821328
More Information on Margaret James: Source:  http://www.foga.org.au/graves/westaway/westaway.htm   ......

"Edwin settled in Brisbane working as a solicitorís clerk, and on 11 December 1865 in St Johnís Cathedral was married by Reverend James Matthews to "Margaret James" (b. 16 September 1846 at Wilsonís Promontory) whom he had met during a Royal Navy visit to Melbourne. She was the eldest child of John James (a painter) and Isabella McMaster who arrived in Melbourne from Greenock, Scotland, as teenagers with their respective parents on the first two immigrant ships that arrived in Port Philip. Isabella was aboard the SS David Clarke (arrived 27 October 1839) and John on the SS Westminster (arrived 13 December 1839)."

Now I am getting somewhere!
Hope to hear back. :)

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Re: Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 18 October 17 13:08 BST (UK) »
Headstone in Fenagh cemetery Carlow;
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Thomas James; Clonee
13/1/1881 (59)
wife-Ellen; 10/5/1910 (77)
grand-daughter-Susan Ellen James; 18/10/1897 (14)
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Re: Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 18 October 17 13:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jack,  that is really helpful. Good to have someone so close to where they all lived, to be able to check the headstone, excellent work. I will follow this in the AM our time! Thanks again. Will let you know if I can match the parents and granddaughter in some way. I am rather confident of this lead! Lisa.

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Re: Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 October 17 14:25 BST (UK) »
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Re: Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 October 17 19:09 BST (UK) »
Headstones in Myshall Adelaide Carlow cemetery;
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John  James-Clonee
1902-1961
wife-Helen (nee Johnson)
1907-1996 (interred in New Jersey)
their daughter-Helen Milne
1927-2006 (died in Glasgow)
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Charlotte Elizabeth (Lilly) James (nee Peavoy)-Rosslea
25/4/1996 (57)
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Fredrick James-Clonee
9/12/1969 (60)
wife-Emily (nee Sixsmith)
11/11/1984 (80)
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Mary James-Rosslea
1/3/1968 (82)
sister-Ann James;
16/10/1969 (79)
sister-Emily Elizabeth James;
15/7/1982 (94)
sister-Rebecca James;
10/9/1984 (90)
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Sarah Sophia James-Rosslea
17/5/1978 (94)
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John Hope James-Clashcanny
8/10/1942 (83)
wife-Sarah Sophia James;
20/10/1946 (86)
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George James-Clonee
19/9/1928 (65)
eldest son-Thomas Samuel James;
19/12/1941 (42) (died New Zealand)
his wife-Maud C.M.James
10/7/1945 (79)
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Margaret Ellen James;
18/12/1902 (32)
her brother-Thomas Henry James; (-Ullard)
26/10/1928 (63)
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Husband-father-grandfather
John Lucas (Sean) James-Clashcanny
21/3/2009 (83)
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erected by-John James- in memory of
William Ashmore
1/6/1955
sister-Elizabeth;
29/4/1956
sister-Ellen;
2/3/1959
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Re: Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 October 17 19:20 BST (UK) »
Headstone in St Columbus cemetery Carlow;
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Thomas Henry James; Tankerdstown
28/9/1951 (49)
grandson-John William James;
20/2/1974
wife-Mary Ann; (nee Codd)
28/9/1977 (57)
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Re: Mary Ann James b. abt 1823
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 October 17 19:30 BST (UK) »
St Marys cemetery Carlow;
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Thomas James; Montgomery st
19/4/1970 (58)
wife-Elizabeth (Posey) James (nee Pinkney)
29/10/1994 (83)
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William James; Castle Hill
18/2/1925
wife-Margaret;
29/6/1953
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William (Jessie) James; Castle Hill
25/12/1995
wife-Alice James
1/1/1996
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Thomas James; Frederick Avenue
9/12/1992 (65)
wife-Dora (nee Wilson)
2/4/2004 (78)
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