Marriage of Samuel Aggas & Elizabeth ?

[ragt39]

Subsequent to my earlier posting today, I am trying to verify the marriage of Samuel Aggas & Elizabeth around 1828 in the Redenhall area.  Samuel & Elizabeth Aggas appear on the 1841 census living in Redenhall with 5 children - Samuel (12), James (10), George (, Walter (6) & Adam (4).  The family also appears on the 1851 census which indicates children all born in Harleston.  Can anybody help me find a marriage of Samuel & Elizabeth?

[The Yokel]

Hi

Can't find any thing on the Norfolk Marriage Index 1801-1837, maybe they hopped over the border into Suffolk, Harleston is very close.

regards
yokel

[ragt39]

For what it's worth, I have discovered that Elizabeth was born in Kirstead

[candrjm]

Could they have possibly married after the children were born, does any of the details below fit with what you have?

County   Norfolk
Place   Norwich
Church   St. Etheldreda
RegisterNumber   14
MarriageDate   25 Sep 1842
GroomForename   Samuel
GroomSurname   AGGAS
GroomAge   
GroomParish   St. Etheldred
GroomCondition   Bachelor
GroomOccupation   Labourer
GroomAbode   King Street
BrideForename   Elizabeth
BrideSurname   WARD
BrideAge   
BrideParish   St. Etheldred
BrideCondition   Spinster
BrideOccupation   Servant
BrideAbode   King Street
GroomFatherForename   Samuel
GroomFatherSurname   AGGAS
GroomFatherOccupation   Dead
BrideFatherForename   Robert
BrideFatherSurname   TIBBENHAM
BrideFatherOccupation   Farmer
WitnessOneForename   John
WitnessOneSurname   COOK
WitnessTwoForename   Emma
WitnessTwoSurname   WARD?
Notes   Groom signed X

same marriage but surname spelt differently

County   Norfolk
Place   Norwich
Church   St, Etheldreda
RegisterNumber   14
MarriageDate   25 Sep 1842
GroomForename   Samuel
GroomSurname   AGGERS
GroomAge   
GroomParish   
GroomCondition   Bachelor
GroomOccupation   Labourer
GroomAbode   King Street St, Etheldred.
BrideForename   Elizabeth
BrideSurname   WARD
BrideAge   
BrideParish   
BrideCondition   Spinster
BrideOccupation   Servant
BrideAbode   King Street St, Etheldred.
GroomFatherForename   Sammuel
GroomFatherSurname   AGGERS
GroomFatherOccupation   Brickmaker
BrideFatherForename   Robert
BrideFatherSurname   TIBBENHAM
BrideFatherOccupation   Farmer
WitnessOneForename   John
WitnessOneSurname   COOK
WitnessTwoForename   Emma
WitnessTwoSurname   ALLURED
Notes   Married by Banns. Groom, signed X. Groom's father indicated as dead.
FileNumber   25639


link to the original cert:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11577-85174-45?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-W9W:1149539474

[The Yokel]

I was wondering how they got the fathers name from that certificate( wrong format for the year)

Try this one as well
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xqu/

yokel

[candrjm]

Strange! looks like the same marriage.

There's this marriage for a Robert Ward and Elizabeth Tibbenham:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/27C8-Y58

and these baptisms:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6BS-CNY


same date:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9KR-JV8


Samuel, George and James all baptised the same day:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3YG-GB7

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBYD-4MZ

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3YG-P8F

and then:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6B1-RRS


note the middle name


Could Elizabeth Tibbenham have married Robert Ward and then paired up with Samuel Aggas sometime between 1833 and 1836 then married Samuel in 1842?

Looking at the marriage certificate Elizabeth gave her name as Aggas then this was crossed out and Ward was entered

[candrjm]

Possible baptism for Elizabeth Tibbenham

County   Norfolk
Place   Raveningham
Church   St Andrew At
RegisterNumber   
DateOfBirth   19 Apr 1801
BaptismDate   19 Apr 1801
Forename   Elizabeth
Sex   F
FatherForename   Robert
MotherForename   Eliz.
FatherSurname   TIBBENHAM
MotherSurname   PLICE?
Abode   
FatherOccupation   
Notes   Privately
FileNumber   7314

and a sibling baptised in Kirstead??

County   Norfolk
Place   Kirstead
Church   St Margaret
RegisterNumber   
DateOfBirth   
BaptismDate   20 Mar 1799
Forename   Robert Plice
Sex   M
FatherForename   Robert
MotherForename   Elizabeth
FatherSurname   TIBBENHAM
MotherSurname   HANWORTH
Abode   
FatherOccupation   
Notes   
FileNumber   7413

marriage for Robert & Elizabeth:

County   Norfolk
Place   Kirstead
Church   St Margaret
RegisterNumber   
MarriageDate   02 Nov 1798
GroomForename   Robert
GroomSurname   TIBBENHAM
GroomAge   
GroomParish   Kirstead
GroomCondition   Bachelor
GroomOccupation   
GroomAbode   
BrideForename   Elizabeth
BrideSurname   HANWORTH
BrideAge   
BrideParish   Heddenham
BrideCondition   Single Woman
BrideOccupation   
BrideAbode   
GroomFatherForename   
GroomFatherSurname   
GroomFatherOccupation   
BrideFatherForename   
BrideFatherSurname   
BrideFatherOccupation   
WitnessOneForename   Robt
WitnessOneSurname   SMYTH
WitnessTwoForename   Mary
WitnessTwoSurname   RINGER
Notes   Licence. Witness 2 signed X
FileNumber   7379

[The Yokel]

Elizabeth Aggas was 52 on the 1851 census, so born c1799

There is a baptism of Elizabeth dau of James and Elizabeth Ward 27 Sept 1797 in Kirstead
James Ward married Elizabeth Mortimer c1794 Kirstead.

There is also a marriage in Kirstead of Robert Tibbenham and Elizabeth Hanworth of Hedenham 2 Nov 1798.

Maybe their respective spouses died and Robert Tibbenham and Elizabeth Ward (snr) got together, I cannot find any evidence of this.

yokel

[ragt39]

That's just amazing candrjm (& yokel) - I think you've cracked it - in my opinion, yes Robert Ward & Elizabeth Tibbenham produced at least the first five children (John, Charlotte, Samuel, James & George), then Walter Aggus Ward was born 'out of wedlock' (despite father's name being given as Ward and probably the same for the youngest son Adam Aggas born in 1837 - I'm applying for the birth certificate which will give us both father's & mother's names.
May I ask candrjm where you found the baptism entry for Elizabeth Tibbenham?
Thanks again