OPR marriage

[wini]

I am looking for a marriage between John Gunn and Margaret McAskill in Sutherland, probably Durness as that family lived there.

I have John junior and his wives and family.
Juniors Death  certificate gives the above as his parents
both deceased in 1894

Have tried All records on Scotland's People with no luck.
Is it likely that the record doesn't exist?
wini

[IanB]

Winni,
         How old was John Jr. when he died? This might give us a rough idea when his parents married.

Ian

[Ruskie]

Do you have John and Margaret in any censuses? Does Margaret say she was born in Sutherland, as they would more than likely have married in the bride's parish. Living in Durness does not necessarily follow that they married there.

Have you checked John jnr's marriage and birth certificates to see if the same names are given for his parents? Sometimes mistakes are made on death certificates.

Of course it is possible that they did not marry ....

[wini]

John Gunn Jnr died 21st  January 1894
Age 87.
Trouble is his age varies throughout his life. That sound silly. Of course his age changed
He married twice in 1835 to Isabella Ross and 1852 to Bessie Gunn so on OPR's with little information as you know.
They  belonged to the Free church
No sign of him on the 1841 Census
1851 Isabell has disappeared and he has their children and a sister in law living with him
Can't find a DC for Isabella.
1851    37
1861    44
1871    68
1881    70
1891    80
Will keep  trying
Always claimed he was born in Lanarkshire so better do some more searching ther.

wini

 

[Flattybasher9]

Where are you getting the mother's surname (McKaskill) from, and do you have names and dates of  birth for any of their children?

Regards

Malky

[wini]

 Death Certificate for John Gunn 1894 Crofter, Widower of Betsy Gunn 21st January11hr0m pm
Laid Parish of Durness Age 87 years.  Informant William Gunn, son

Father: John Gunn, Crofter, deceased
Mother :Margaret Gunn M.S. MacAskill deceased.

Betsy, his wife's family have been easier to trace

wini

[MonicaL]

Wini, sometimes mistakes creep in with info provided by informants, even with close family. Just looking at the info you have already on censuses:

Isabella home alone in 1841:

Isabella Gunn 30
Moran Gunn 4 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQQT-W8K
Peter Gunn 3 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQQT-K7Z
Thomas Gunn 5 Month https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQQT-KQQ
Address: Lead, Durness

I thought young Peter might have been entered twice, maybe if staying with a possible uncle and aunt Ross (thought this Margaret Ross might fit for 1851, staying with John Gunn?):

Donald Ross 30 tenant
Margaret Ross 24
Donald McDonald 8
Peter R Gunn 3
Address: Torsyler Clunel, Lairg

Again, the entry mentioned from 1851:

John Gunn 37
Mary Gunn 15
Peter Gunn 13
Thomas Gunn 10
Margret Gunn 6 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQQT-7JB
Dolina Gunn 4 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQQT-4XR
John Gunn 3
Margret Ross 35 visitor b. Lairg
Address: Lead, Durness

Guess John Gunn shows as widower by now and Isabella died between 1848-51.

OPR death and burial entries are the most scarce to find as you have found. Maybe following Margaret Ross to her death entry might let you confirm possible details on her parents?

One middle name that you could cosider may be the one used for daughter Margaret. Her OPR entry shows as Peggy Mc Diarmad Gunn.

Monica

[IanB]

Hi Wini,
The”Disruption” which resulted in the establishment of the Free Church of Scotland occurred in 1843, and this included the parish of Durness. Baptisms and marriages performed by Free Church ministers do not appear in the OPR since the latter was a Church of Scotland record. Neither do they seem to be in the IGI. There is a separate register kept in Edinburgh (at New Register House, I think.) Some years ago, Angi Lamb made extracts from the Durness Free Church register, and sent me a list. On it there are the two marriages of John Gunn (Jr.), (despite the first one being prior to 1843) :
Gunn, John & Ross, Isabella; 23 March, 1835
Gunn, John & Gunn, Betsy: 1 November, 1851
I have misplaced the list of baptisms but will keep looking.

I skimmed through my copy of Hew Morrison’s transcription of the Durness OPR (1764 – 1814) and noticed a few “MacKaiscail” (or similar ) baptisms that might be of interest:
21 Dec, 1766: Alexander Mackaiscail in Crosple, Alexander
25 Jul, 1769: Alexander Mackaiscal in Crosple, Margaret
 6 Aug, 1772: Alexander Mackaiscal in Crosple, Mary

The minister did not record the name of the mother during this period. I looked for a marriage of Alexander Mackaiscal without success. It may have taken place before the earliest recorded marriage which was in 1765.

There is a marriage of an Alexander Mackaiscal, in 1790, to Christian Campbell, and this might be the Alexander born 1766.

A search of the MIs in Durness parish was not fruitful. There were 3 John Gunns listed but none fit your circumstances. There were also 2 other Gunn families (one from Laid)
but the forenames did not match. There are no Mackaiscals listed. However, this not necessarily mean there are none buried in Durness.

Not much help, but it might lead to something.

Ian

[IanB]

I found the transcription of the Durness Free Church baptisms, and here are some for John Gunn & Isabella Ross:
1843 Oct 3:     Peggy MacDermad to John Gunn, Leathad (Laid) & Bell Ross
1845 July 14:   Dolina to John Gunn, Leathad, & Isabella Ross
1847 Nov 1 :    John to John Gunn, Leathad, & Isabella Ross

Ian