Missing in 1911 - Joseph Edwin Bice

[carol8353]

There's also Lancaster/Smith births in Pancras though too 

[bugbear]

The wedding's a bit iffy; FreeBMD has her as Beatrice N, while ancestry's "Marriage Index" has her as Beatrice M. The typing on the original image IS truly unclear.

However, "Beatrice Bice" is a truly rare and specific name.

There are only two of them born from 1860 to 1920; Bice, Beatrice Maud in 1885, Guisbro' (Yorkshire), and Bice, Beatrice Florence in 1906, Hackney.

And, in terms of Male Bices "creating" "Beatrice Bices" by marriage in the same period, it's just our Joseph Edwards Bice. (and our Yorkshire girl became either a Bradfield or a Harrison).

So the 1917 Beatrice Bice remarriage looks solid.

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[bugbear]

There's also Lancaster/Smith births in Pancras though too 

What date?

Edit; found him;

William S Lancaster, (probably William Samuel, named after the wife's father, and the father).

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[bugbear]

So I guess we're full circle - where were Joseph (and Beatrice) in 1911?

And where (sigh) did he die? Was it out in France just before 1916, to explain the remarriage? Or was it pre 1911 to explain the omission in the 1911 census?

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[bugbear]

Curious; the 1911 census doesn't have #4 Retreat Cottages, it only has 1,5,6,7,8,9,10.

No "Bice" or "Darling" families.

I can't even find the wedding witness (Sarah Ann(ie) Lambert/Darling) in 1911, let alone the bride and groom. Did they all throw themselves in the Lea River?!

:-(

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[carol8353]

If you look at the actual image of a nearby property in 1911 you can click on the word 'list' at the top of the page and see what happened to other properties,the early few numbers were empty.

No I couldn't find the Darling's either,but as he was a gunner,presumbly already in the Army before WW1, he and new wife might have travelled abroad with the Army?

Are you sure that the 1916 Joseph Bice who died isn't your chap?

Talking of Edwin/Edwards.....a pal of mine has an ancestor who swops between Edwin and Edmund.

[bugbear]

Curious; the 1911 census doesn't have #4 Retreat Cottages, it only has 1,5,6,7,8,9,10.

No "Bice" or "Darling" families.

I can't even find the wedding witness (Sarah Ann(ie) Lambert/Darling) in 1911, let alone the bride and groom. Did they all throw themselves in the Lea River?!

:-(

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Annoyingly, it appears that everyone in the whole area around retreat cottages was too poor to vote, so the often-useful Electoral registers (which are updated every year, unlike the every decade censuses) don't help.

I looked around retreat cottages, orchard hill, harrington hill, big hill and little hill (hilly area!)

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[bugbear]

Just found a WW11 draft record card in USA of an...

Edward Joseph Rice
Birth Date    23 Aug 1889
but he says he's born in Pennsylvania

Married to a Beatrice M Bice on the 1910 census b 1894.

He seems to alternate between Bice and Rice on each census.

False alarm- she's born in England but he's born in USA with a german father.


Have you looked at the 1917 Islington marriage of a Beatrice M Bice to a Samuel Lancaster?

Oh dear; that doesn't bode well for Joseph...

Birth in FreeBMD:

Sep 1921
Lancaster    Walter L    Bice    Edmonton    3a   995

 BugBear (off to look)

For those following along at home...

This Walter L Lancaster now looks entirely separate. I found (expletive) ANOTHER marriage of a Lancaster to a Bice; A Walter William Lancaster married a Annie Caroline Bice in Edmonton 1916. They look like good candidates to be the parents of Walter L Lancaster in 1921, born in Edmonton.

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[Ray Hayes]

Joseph Herbert Bice is recorded as a boarder at the home of widow Emma Cook and her daughter Gertrude Cook at 28 Aden Grove, Stoke Newington, as Herbert Bice.
Joseph Herbert and Gertrude Emma subsequently married in 1914.

(I am not related, doing some Bice research for a cousin whose grandmother was a Bice from Cornwall).