Looking for another missing Henry Eltham

[LizzieL]

Looking for Henry Eltham known to have been in Eynsham, Oxfordshire, but not sure that he was born there

According to what I believe is his death record he would have been born about 1817
(Henry Eltham age 58 death registered Witney district Q3 1875  Vol 3a page 423)

No sign of him on 1841 census.

According to familysearch Henry and Emily baptised two children in Eynsham
Elizabeth Mary Eltham born    14 Oct 1842  bapt 18 Oct 1842  Birth reg Q3 1842 Witney  (vol 16 p 125). Death registered Q4 1842 Witney (vol16 p90)
Emily Elizabeth Eltham  born  30 Jan 1844  bapt 9 Feb 1844  Birth reg Q1 1844 Witney District  (vol 16 p 126)

So Henry must have married an Emily in about 1841, possibly late in year so both still single when census for 1841 taken.

I cannot find any trace of a marriage registration

 
On 1851 census living in High Street Eynsham  ( piece: 1731, folio: 107, page: 42)

Emily Eltham       Head    married  26 (1825) Dressmaker born Woodend, Berks
Elizabeth Eltham   Daughter   7   (1844)   born Eynsham
James Eltham      Son      5   (1846)   born Eynsham   
Andrew Eltham      son      3   (1848) born Eynsham
Henry Eltham      son      1   (1850)  born Eynsham

There is no sign of Henry in 1851

I believe the birth registrations of James, Andrew and Henry are as follows:
James registered as James Henry Eltham registered Witney dist  Q4 1845 vol 16 p123
Andrew Eltham registered Witney dist Q4 1847 vol 16 p 126
Henry Eltham is probably the one registered Q3 1849  vol 16 page 122. (I think Harry registered in Q1 1850 is the son of John and AnnEltham).

In 1861 the family is together living in Pug? Lane, Eynsham:

Henry Eltham       Head 42   (1819) b Cumnor (Berks)  occ Confectioner
Emily         wife 35 (1826)  b Cumnor   (cumnor is near Woodend)
Elizabeth      dau   17    b Eynsham   
James         son   15   b Eynsham
Andrew          son   13   b Eynsham
Rosa         dau   8   b Eynsham


There is a death registered for a Henry Q2 1851, probably the son born 1849.


In 1871 in High Street, Eynsham
Emily Eltham head    married Engineer's wife   46 b Woodend
Harry      son            6 b Eynsham

birth of Harry reg Q3 1864 Witney dist 3a p589

But again no sign of Henry senior


So we have one sighting of Henry on a census, although he should be on four censuses (41 - 71 inc)
No sign of a marriage, but it must have taken place after Jul 1837.
Only one indication of his place of birth - but could this be muddled with Emily's pob?. There are Eltham families in Eynsham, but not come across any in Cumnor in early 1800s.

I'm most interested in finding who Henry's parents were so need Marriage cert or 1841 census where hopefully he is living with parents

[Pennie]

Hi Lizzie ...

Do you have a birth certificate for one of Henry and Emily's children?  This will give Emily's maiden name.  You may then be able to find her on the 1841 census, thus narrowing down the date of the marriage, or perhaps helping to find it as you can then search with her full name.

Incidentally, I've checked the OFHS's Oxfordshire Marriage Index (1538-1837) just in case the marriage happened much earlier than expected (my own great-grandparents were married for seven years before the first child arrived, as he was serving in the army!), but found nothing.

Pennie

[LizzieL]

No I haven't got birth Certificate. Information from Cumnor village website says Emily Franklin b 1823  (father James) married ........ Eltham of Eynsham. No date or Henry's christian name given. A search for Emily Franklin gives only a marriage in Oxford district Q1 1840, but no Henry (Eltham or otherwise as potential groom). I would expect marriage to be registerd in Abingdon dist or Witney district. If marriage pre 1837, Emily would be too young (less than 15).

http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/external/cumnor/index.html
useful website for anyone with Cumnor connections.

Confirms henry Eltham not from Cumnor despite POB listed on census.

[Millmoor]

Have you seen the Henry Eltham in the 1871 census, a lodger in Tipton Staffordshire? He is listed as married, age 48 and a railway labourer. Place of birth transcribed as Conmer, Berkshire.

Henry would appear to be in the 1864 Kellys directory in Eynsham as a confectioner where there is also a John Eltham listed as confectioner and John Jun as a timber carrier.

In the 1852 Gardners Directory a John Eltham sen is recorded as a cake maker in Eynsham while in the 1847 PO directory a John Eltham is recorded as confectioner and farmer. I cannot see any Eltham's recorded in Eynsham in the 1869 directory.

1851 census John Eltham the baker is 65 with a wife Jane 48 a glover. Also listed in the household is an Edward Franklin 20 a lodger. 1861 John Eltham baker is a widower age 66 in the household of Edward Franklin 29 . In spite of age difference suspect same John Eltham. Could he be related to your Henry? Possibly father?

William


William

[LizzieL]

I suspect that Henry is John's son but have no evidence. The occupation is the same and the dob would be about right. John snr married Mary East, I believe in abt 1816. She died in 1839 I have started a thread on the Oxford look up board about John, trying to find his parents.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678921.msg5235294#msg5235294

He was not actually married to the Jane who was living as his wife in 1851. She was Jane Churchill nee Palmer who had been widowed  a few years before. In 1861 John is living with his married daughter and her husband (Edward Franklin) their lodger in the previous census.

John jnr and his wife had lots of children including a Harry (Henry). Both couples had an Andrew.
Given that there are few Elthams in the area I think the Johns (father and son) are related to Henry, but there are also Elthams at Bampton not far away and I think William and rebecca of Bampton could be candidates for Henry's parents.

The 1871 census entry which again gives pob for Henry as Cumnor is odd, unless his mother was from Cumnor originally and he was born at grandparents house.

[LizzieL]

I've just checked out the Easts on the Cumnor village website. There's a Mary East born or bapt abt 1797 d/o Samuel and Elizabeth and a note to say she had an illegitimate child Henry in 1816. Date is a little earlier than expected but names and places now all fit. No mention of father, so not certain whether he was John's child

[NDRFT]

Hi
Some info from St Leonards Church Eynsham PR's for you.

Oh yes there are 2 ELTHAM families having children in Eynsham at the same time - so caution!!

One head of family is your Henry the other is John and yes he was a confectioner. Your Henry's occupation seems to change.

Elizabeth Mary ELTHAM
Born 14 Oct 1842, Bapt 18 Oct 1842, Bur 22 Oct 1842 d o Henry and Emley. Farmer

Emily Elizabeth ELTHAM
Born 30 Jan 1844, Bapt 9 Feb 1844 d o Henry & Emily. Baker

James Henry ELTHAM
Born , Bapt 1 Nov 1845 s o Henry & Emily - Confectioner

ELTHAM Born Bapt 31 Dec 1848

Henry ELTHAM born 7 July 1849, Bapt 12 Aug 1849 Private. s o Henry & Emily. Mail Cart driver


CUMNOR is approx 7 miles to the SW of Eynsham and was for years in Berkshire but was moved into Oxfordshire upon the Local Government reorganization of boundaries in 1974.

In the St Michael Church Cumnor PR's there is NO marriage of Henry to Emily in fact there are NO Elthams at all.
 
I shall be back in a minute with all bapt and burials for Eynsham

[NDRFT]

Hi again
Here are some burials, some of which are definitely yours;

27 Sept 1833 Mary aged 67
21 Jan 1839 Mary aged 43 - I think this was the wife of the other Eltham I referred to earlier
22 Oct 1842 Elizabeth Mary - Infant
9 Feb 1846 Thomas aged 74
4 March 1849 Mary aged 4
6 June 1851 Henry aged 2
26 June 1854 Francis aged 7
2 March 1863 Mary Ellen aged 6 mnths
5 June 1868 Thomas aged 15
14 July 1869 John aged 74
21 July 1875 Henry Eltham (East) aged 58 - I think this was your Henry, but I can't understand why it says his surname may also have been East
14 Dec 1884 Charles Augustus aged 23
20 Oct 1891 John aged 71
4 May 1896 Frank Richard aged 18 months

Hope these may help

Nigel

[NDRFT]

Me again

I think these Baptisms may be relevant to you:

John s o John and Mary. Hawker. Born 20 July 1820 Baptised 24 July 1820
Mary d o John and Mary. Labourer. Born 27 Nov 1824. Baptised 26 Dec 1824
Elizabeth Adelaide d o John and Mary. Farmer. Born 6 Jan 1836. Baptised 16 Jan 1836

and.................

Marriage 29 July 1842 John Eltham fa widr Farmer to Ann Wiggins minor sp d o William. Baker
      Wits: Robert Davis, Fanny Wastie, Mary Eltham, William Green

That's all for now.  Le me know if you need more.

Tra

Nigel