Greave, Yorkshire?

[sugarfizzle]

I have a marriage at All Hallows, Almondbury (not indexed at an**ry, can be found bottom left, image 3, 1723)
6 Feb 1723/24
Edwardus Hoyle and Eleena Goddard de Greave

Any ideas as to where Greave would be?

Margaret

[Kay99]

If you search on the Old Maps website a possible is a village called Greave over the border into Lancashire to the east of Bacup. On modern maps it appears to be absorbed in Bacup  http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html

Kay

[sugarfizzle]

Thanks for that, Kay.  You may be right, but I can't help but think that the record would have said Greave, Lancashire, rather than just Greave - some 30 miles away and in the next county.

I'll take a look at Lancashire records to see if I can find a possible baptism, nothing crops up in West Yorkshire.

Thanks for a new line of investigation,

Margaret

[sstarr2008]

"GREAVE a hamlet in the chapelry of Nether Thong and parish of Almondbury, West Riding county York, 4 miles S of Huddersfield"

Stu

[josey]

This mentions Greave as part of Netherthong & has a map:
http://historyofnetherthong.co.uk/?p=147

States Upper Greave was renamed St Mary's [now St Mary's Court] & Lower Greave still exists & consists of half a dozen houses.

If this is your family & you would like any pictures of the area pm me your email address - I live a mile or two away.

[sugarfizzle]

Thanks Stu and Josey.  I've already looked at Almondbury, Holmfirth and Kirkburton records.  Nothing for Edward Hoyle either, so the lines probably end with the marriage.

Margaret

[bykerlads]

Does the "de Greave" in fact suggest where she lived? Could it be part of her surname or an indication of her family's status?
The husband seems to be just plain "Hoyle"- no addition to indicate his village.
Does de Greave sounds a bit upper class?
Or conversely, Greaves as a surname is a local name dating back very many centuries. My own Greaves were ordinary folk.

[josey]

You may be on to something there. My latin is pretty rusty; I think I assumed that because Edward's name appeared 'latinised' as Edwardus that the 'de' meant 'from' but it's French of course. Looking at my pocket dictionary Latin for 'from' is 'ab' or 'a' or 'e' or 'ex'.

Could it be that Edward may not have anything after his name as he came from the area of the church?

[sugarfizzle]

Bykerlads and Josie

It did cross my mind that Greave could have been part of her surname, rather than where she was from.  I hadn't made the connection that 'de' meaning 'of' was French rather than Latin.

However, looking at the original image, most of the records seem to include 'de' -
Not knowledgable about the area, but some examples -
de Lockwood
de Hoowood in Austonly
de Ridgwood
de Armitage

So, I think that it does refer to the place rather than the surname

Margaret