North Sunderland Presbyterian Records

[Oscella]

I have been hunting for the marriage of Henry James Cochrane to an Elizabeth possibly Watson. At the 1851 Census Henry was living at Embleton with his wife Elizabeth who was aged 29 and was said to have been born at Shank Hall.

At the time they had a two month old son, John, born at Embleton.

I cannot find a marriage in Northumberland for Henry and Elizabeth in Northumberland. Nor is there apparently any record of them marrying at Lamberton Toll.

Neither can I find a baptism for John nor a record in the civil registration records.

A second son, Robert, was baptised at St Paul, North Sunderland in 1853.

There are no more children for this family that I have been able to identify.

One guess is that Elizabeth died soon after the birth of Robert. I cannot find a burial record for her.

I am wondering if anyone would be able to look in the records of the Presbyterian church at North Sunderland to see whether there is a birth for John recorded in 1851, or a burial for Elizabeth sometime in the years 1853 to about 1860. Unfortunately the records do not include marriages for this period.

Any other suggestions as to what might be the correct record for this family would be much appreciated.

Oscella

[emmadog]

There is a record of a birth for john cochrane on FBMD in march 1852 reg district Alnwick which covers Embleton.  these could be the family you are looking for.

Barbara

[emmadog]

Sorry, meant to put that there is also a birth for a Robert Cochrane June 1853 at Belford which covers North Sunderland.  Looked for more info but can't seem to find anything.

Barbara

[Oscella]

Thanks Barbara. Somehow I missed John but it would be nice to find his baptism. Also I am still wondering if Elizabeth died quite soon after Robert's birth - there were no more children and the family came to Australia.

[emmadog]

Didn'realise the went to Oz. Thats why I could find nothing else.
Some of my decendants came from the same area of northumberland and went out to Oz on the Lady Kennaway.

Barbara

[Ladyhawk]

I have been hunting for the marriage of Henry James Cochrane to an Elizabeth possibly Watson.

 At the 1851 Census Henry was living at Embleton with his wife Elizabeth who was aged 29 and was said to have been born at Shank Hall.

At the time they had a two month old son, John, born at Embleton.

Neither can I find a baptism for John nor a record in the civil registration records.

A second son, Robert, was baptised at St Paul, North Sunderland in 1853.

There are no more children for this family that I have been able to identify.

John Cockrane Baptism 1851 Embleton Northumberland
Father: Henry James Cockrane  Mother:   Elizabeth

John Cochrane Mar 1851 Alnwick Volume:   25 Page:   254

Robert Cochrane Baptism 7 Aug 1853 Bamburgh, Northumberland, England
Father:   Henry James Cochrane Mother:   Elizabeth Caroline

Robert Cochrane Jun qr 1853 Belford   Vol 10b, page 252

obtaining a birth certificate of one of their sons would confirm mother's name

I wonder if Henry's wife & 3rd child may have died on board ship (shame they haven't given christian names)

Details From
Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923

Mr Cochrane b1824, Mrs Cochrane b1829,
3 children no first name given Surname Cochrane born 1851, 1853 & 1857 (infant)
Departed New York, Arrived Melbourne aboard Red Gaunlet on 29 Jun 1857

you probably have these but just in case - strange on John's death mother's name given as Mary WATSON  and not Elizabeth

Jno Cochrane (born c1851) Death Place:   Bdale, Victoria
Father's Name:   Hy Jas Cochrane
Mother's name:   Mary Watson
Registration Year:   1927Victoria
Registration Number:   115


John Cochrane Death Age:   76
Late Residence:   Bairnsdale
Burial Date:   15 Mar 1927 Bairnsdale Cemetery
Section:   Church of England
Cemetery Location:   Bairnsdale, Victoria
Register Number:   1680
Occupation:   Contractor

John Cochrane Death Date: 13 Mar 1927
Cemetery:   Bairnsdale Cemetery Burial Place:   Bairnsdale, Victoria, Australia

Robert Cochrane Age:   80
Late Residence:   Mitchell Street, Bairnsdale
Burial Date:   4 Jul 1933 Bairnsdale Cemetery
Section:   Wesleyan
Register Number:   2178
Occupation: Contractor

Elizabeth Cochrane (this appears to beRobert’s wife) Death Age:   57
Late Residence:   East Bairnsdale
Burial Date:   16 Mar 1918 Bairnsdale Cemetery
Section:   Methodist
Register Number:   875
Occupation:   Home Duties

Henry James Cochrane age 63
Late Residence:   Bairnsdale
Burial Date: 12 Mar 1884 Bairnsdale Cemetery
Section:   Roman Catholic
Register Number:   419
Occupation:   Hopgrower

here’s the head stone with all their names http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yln/

[emmadog]

I have just been looking at the reply from Ladyhawk which was very interesting but could not think why the family would depart from New York when they lived in Northumberland England. 

I have also done another bit of searching and Henry James was one of six boys and a girl.  All of the boys look as though they went to Australia (cannot verify this) and the sister Alice Tully Cochrane stayed in the North East and had their mother with them.

Hope this is helpful but I still not found what you are looking for.

Barbara

[Oscella]

Thanks for all that both Barbara and Emmadog

I have just now found the baptism for John at Embleton, thank you.

Yes I have most of the information you have provided (and many thanks for spending the time to chase it!) but the Elizabeth/Mary wife issue is quite a puzzle. However Robert's marriage certificate in Victoria says his mother was Elizabeth Watson. John's death record is the only one that says Mary and he was not married so the informant might have been more vague than usual. I have just also found the baptism of Elizabeth Caroline Watson at Beadnell on 14 Jan 1821, which accords precisely with the 1851 Census showing her slightly older than her husband Henry. Incidentally, Elizabeth's mother was Mary and her father John which may account for the naming of her first son....

However it does not accord with the shipping record on the Red Gauntlet where the woman is significantly younger than the man and both younger than Henry and Elizabeth were in 1857 (36 approx). Then there are the questions about the reason for going via New York (perhaps it was easier or cheaper at the time of the gold rushes in Victoria to go via Liverpool and New York rather than via Newcastle)  and the extra child in the listed group who cannot be identified.

I am also fascinated that Henry is said to be buried in the Roman Catholic section as his death certificate says the service was conducted by the CofE minister; then one son in the CofE section and the other in the Wesleyan. And all four have the one headstone.....

I am inclined still to crosscheck for a death of Elizabeth in Northumberland but I am clutching at straws. That is why I wanted to look at the Presbyterian records for North Sunderland - in case.

[emmadog]

I thought it very strange too that the sons all had different religions but I suppose that could have been dow to their respective spouses.

Barbara