Help with Catherine Kendall Morland

[Jeffrey]

I am going to send away for some wills and documents to the Kendal RO so they will be come some time after Easter.

Will post if I find anything interesting.

In the meantime any help would be appreciated. I am pretty stuck.

However Westmorland has reminded me about the Window Tax of 1777.

I see In Great Strickland - where I think that Hesley is regarded for that sort of purpose then there is a John Kendal and the Assessor was a William Smith. This is another link between the two families.
Just a quick modification - have just looked up Hesley in the Old Gazetteer and that says it was in Gt Strickland, Parish of Morland

Thanks

Judy

[Jeffrey]

Have received Documents from the Records Office.
Nothing startling!!
However it confirms that Thomas Kendal mentioned John Kendall, Edmund Kendall his brothers and sister Isabel Hugill in his will. I have looked at their tree and there was also a Margaret who died. Their parents were Thomas Kendall bap 1666 died 1742 Morland and their mother was a Katherine nee  died 1777 Morland Pr's. Can not find a marriage.
As Katherine is an unusual name then I think 'my Catherine' must descended from this line.

John Kendall Innkeeper of Morland who died 1806. His will mentioned Emma his wife and Margaret his daughter. I think that he was the brother of 'my Catherine' but need proof. He was in the 1787 Constables Census as a Farmer.

Thomas's will also confirms that  John Kendal his brother was from 'Hasley' Morland. Now I can not find a 'Hasley' in Morland Parish  but can find 'Hesley' which is mentioned earlier in this post. So think they must be the same. Can anyone else find anything?

Any further help or suggestions gratefully received.

Judy

[..claire..]

Hi

Have found a marriage in the right timeframe, right area,  which could be worth a look at, but she must have been very young when they married.

Thomas KENDALL mar. Katherine RUMNEY 13 July 1693 Hesket-In-The-Forest, Cumberland, England.

claire

EDIT: Think this could be her birth so would rule her out if death record is correct ~ Katherine bp. 21 Dec 1656 Saint Andrews,Penrith, father: William.

[Jeffrey]

Thank you for the reply. Don't know what to think as yet.

The first child of Thomas & Katherine that I know of is  Thomas bap 1692 Morland, then Isabel b1694 (who married a Hugill & named in Thomas her brothers will), Thomas (the Blacksmith in Kendal) b1696, Margaret b1698 d1699, John b1701 (who I think is my Catherines father and think married a Margaret) and Edmund b1704.

By looking at Thomas's will he did not name any other brothers or sisters or nieces or nephews.

There are no other deaths in Morland Parish of a Katherine around the right time frame.
Whoops! Just had another look and I have transcribed the date of Katherines burial wrong. It was 10th May 1717  and not 10th May 1777. That makes a big difference.

Apologies. Just shows that you should keep re-checking everything!!!!

Judy

[JeanGris]

Hi Judy

You say that the first child of Thomas and Katherine that you know of is Thomas bap 1692 Morland.......

Did it actually say on the parish register Thomas s of Thomas and Katherine, or just Thomas s of Thomas?

As Thomas was bap 19 May 1692, it does rule out Katherine Rumney as mother of Thomas unless when a Thomas Kendal married Katherine Rumney in 1693, but it could be Thomas' 2nd marriage, his 1st wife having died.  The marriage nearly always took place in the bride's parish.

As all the children of Thomas from 1692 to 1704 were sons or daughters of Thomas of 'Newbie' I think the best way forward is to trace all Kendal(l)s of Newby and try and sort them out into individual families.

If you have not access - the following should help,

http://dustydocs.com/frontend_dev.php/link/39/39214/180141/baptisms-1538-1742-marriages-1538-1742-burials-1538-1742-cumbrian-genealogy.html

Hope this is of some help, Jean

[Jeffrey]

Thank you for your reply Jean.
I have already extracted all the 'Kendall' BMD's from the Morland PR's.
There were 5 Baptisms starting from 1692 up to 1701 father Thomas Kendall of Newbie, Parish of Morland.
But there are no other Baptisms for the father being Thomas Kendall before that since 1658 and none after that until 1742.
No Mother mentioned.
But there is a death of Katherine 10th May 1717 Wife of Thomas of Newby.

Both sons John & Edmund had their first female child named Catherine.

Thank you again
Judy

I am trying to sort them out through PR's, wills, Manorial records etc but it is very difficult as with my other families there they often moved about within the local area. I think I need to look at BMD records after 1742 to help.

The nearest birth for Thomas in the Morland PR's is 1641 Thomas base born son of Isabell of Sweargill. I don't know where that is.

[..claire..]

Hi

Swear Gill is about 8 miles south-west of Morland (between Shap and the Haweswater Reservoir).

claire

[JeanGris]

I had a feeling you would have already gone through all the Morland records.

The only other suggestion is to look at the Manorial Court Records that I mentioned in my PM.

The 1st born daughter was usually named after maternal grandmother, but there were exceptions.

With the moving around, it was usual for the 1st born son to be passed the messuages/lands etc, when the father died - and recorded in the Manorial Court records, the 2nd born was sometimes left a small legacy and had to make his own way.

I'll take another look at some of the records I have and let you know if I find anything else.

Happy hunting, Jean

[sillgen]

Just to remind you, as I often forget, that the year did not end in December in those days so dates can seem odd sometimes.