James Doyle Children Vanishing Liverpool Colony of NSW

[robgen1]

Hello Neil,

Once again thank you for reply appreciated

true people don't just vanish !!

the Bourke one i also considered originally, and i did the same with all the others, checked against any possible marriage with first name and any possible middle name, and came up blank.

Also i have been able to establish that Sarah A / Martha A and Elizabeth H were all alive at time of James' death in 1893, i have proof that Annie BECKHAUS (nee Doyle) and Mary Josephine Doyle both pre deceased him one in 1882 and the other 1887.

Siblings
James had two siblings one died Mary Anlezark (nee Doyle) 1852 and a brother Richard Doyle 1884
so not possible for them to have looked after the surviving children

Possible relations
I do not believe that Andrew and Mary Doyle of Petersham or Balmain are related to the Doyle Line being investigated and have not been able to find any evidence to establish a connection.

Looks like there may have been some sort of informal arrangement as suggested by you but who what and where.

Cheers
Greg

[robgen1]

Hello Judb,

thank you for your reply,

random thoughts are always "good", I have found some of the best finds have been random thoughts suggested by others, in regards to this line of Doyle's being investigated.

The informant to James' death was his Daughter Avess Doyle it seems odd that she did not mention her own siblings names !  but sadly done. as stated i think that it was either Sarah A or Martha A that used Avess as her first name.

James had 2 siblings that i have been able to establish and they both pre deceased him
Mary Anlezark (nee Doyle) 1852
Richard Doyle 1884.

Regards
Greg

[wivenhoe]

SMH 21 Oct 1895
In Mem.....James DOYLE........daughters Avess and Bessie DOYLE
 
In 1895, and as young, unmarried adults Elizabeth Hannah and Sarah or Martha are DOYLE.......no family name change to suggest they were taken in and raised by close family?.

BDM NSW marriage
2221 / 1864  ATWILL Avess  m. HAYNES Paul                Liverpool

[judb]

Good to have an unusual name to work with!

Here's the ref for the notice in the SMH 1895
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14021739

And one in 1894
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13973353

[Neil Todd]

I knew I had seen that name AVESS before while searching this morning and dismissed it.
But here is another birth, must be within the family?
AVESS M DOYLE. NO FATHER. MOTHER ALICE. AT ASHFIELD. REF # 4886/1892

What is the tie in and who is ALICE?

Neil

[wivenhoe]

another sister?

BDM NSW marriage
1185 / 1868 ATTWILL Elizabeth   m   PARSONAGE Thomas C           Sydney
1185 / 1868 ATTWEILL Elizabeth   m   PARSONAGE Thomas C           Sydney

birth
17305 / 1870 PARSONAGE Ovess S A            Thomas Charles / Elizabeth         Tambaroora
(a transcription error - she is Avess  for marriage and death)

[Neil Todd]

The informant to James' death was his Daughter Avess Doyle it seems odd that she did not mention her own siblings names !  but sadly done. as stated i think that it was either Sarah A or Martha A that used Avess as her first name.

James had 2 siblings that i have been able to establish and they both pre deceased him
Mary Anlezark (nee Doyle) 1852
Richard Doyle 1884.

Regards
Greg

Then Richard was James Brother and lived with Wife Mary at Liverpool as well?
One of his daughters was Alice born
ALICE A DOYLE, RICHARD,  MARY J, at  LIVERPOOL REF# 10661/1867

There is some connection there to thjat very, very unusual name AVESS which is not a first or second name on the list of names

Neil 

[robgen1]

Hello Neil

Once again thank you

true Richard Doyle and wife Mary J did have a daughter Alice in 1867 as per the NSW BDM ref you stated. I believe her middle name was Ann 

Avess, Aves or Avis was the name of Sarah M Atwell's sister

Not sure of the other Avess M Doyle you found in 1892 Ashfield but once again cant be one i am after as she was informant of fathers death.

However it requires further investigation as it may well be another connection !!!

Will look at that obviously to see if anything comes of it as it is very much an unusual name.

It seems that they were still known as Doyle, but just cant seem to find much out after 1895


Cheers
Greg

[robgen1]

Hello wivenhoe

thank you once again

yes correct Elizabeth Attwell was also a sister of Sarah M Doyle (nee Attwell)

Cheers
Greg