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Braidwood Help
« on: Saturday 29 March 14 01:09 GMT (UK) »
Need helping confirming if the following Jane Braidwoods are the same person.

Jane Braidwood m. James McArthur 3 February 1838 (Father is John Braidwood)
(Familysearch - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY74-DMR)

and

Jane Braidwood m. Charles Anderson 22 Nov 1844
(Familysearch - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY78-WY4)


Thank you!!

Bernie MacArthur

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Re: Braidwood Help
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 March 14 04:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Jane Braidwood Father John Braidwood)  m. James McArthur 3 February 1838, Campsie, Stirling
ISSUE:  Jane Livingstone McARTHUR 1838, Campsie

Jane Braidwood m. Charles Anderson 22 Nov 1844, Falkirk
ISSUE: Mary Jane ANDERSON 1847, Falkirk

According to the following - not the same woman.....
http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcarthur/messages/641.html

It says:
James McARTHUR b. 1 Feb 1818, Dunblane, Perth, Scotland.
Father: John McARTHUR , Mother: Elizabeth BRUCE.
Married:  3 Feb 1838  & 23 Feb 1838  at Campsie (Stirlingshire) and  Rutherglen, Lanarkshire.
To: Jane (Jean)BRAIDWOOD  b 28 April 1817, Barony Lanark, Scotland.


ISSUE:
Jane Livingston McARTHUR b. 29 Sept. 1838, Campsie, Stirling
Elisabeth Tannahill McARTHUR  b. 23 Aug 1840, New Kilpatrick (Dunbartonshire)
John Livingston McARTHUR  b. 30 Dec 1844, Perth, & chr 17 Mar 1845, Middle Church, Perth
There are at least 2 other siblings.

James and Jane (Jean) McARTHUR emigrated to the US at some point around 1851 and perhaps settled in MA. The son, John Livingston McArthur, fought in the Civil War (North - think from MA). Married Francis (Fanny) Augusta BILES (b. 22 Feb. 1860 in Reading, Ohio) on 12 September 1877 in Lockland, Ohio. John Livingston McArthur died on 19 March 1930 in Reading, Ohio.

This could be the McARTHUR's in 1841:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
West Shaw Street, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Parish: 597 , ED: 32, Folio: 20 Pg 2
James MCARTHUR    25   Block Cutter Journeyman  - Y
Jean  MCARTHUR  20 - N   
Jane MCARTHUR  2 - N       
Elizabeth MCARTHUR  10mths, - N 
Alexander BRAIDWOOD 10  - N

The John L McARTHUR, who married Fanny BILES
Is in Ohio in 1900, stating born Jan 1845 Scotland, Immigrated 1852
Is in Ohio 1910, stating immigrated 1870
Is in Ohio 1920, stating immigrated 1854

Is this the family you are researching from in the US?

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: Braidwood Help
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 March 14 09:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
The second couple Charles Anderson and Jean/Jane Braidwood have a daughter Mary Jane on 27th Aug 1847 according to this entry on FamilySearch  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT2W-6VL

This could be mother and daughter on the 1851 Census
Falkirk, Carron Bridge
Jane Anderson           Head  M     27     Manglekeeper      born Carron, Stirlingshire
Mary Jane Anderson   Dau   U      6      Scholar                born Falkirk, Stirlingshire
No sign of Charles although the above Jane is recorded as married not widowed :-\
 With Ambly's 1841 Census info  it looks like the two Jane/Jean Braidwoods are different women.

Looby :)

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Re: Braidwood Help
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 April 14 02:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the replies.  Is there any way that the two women are the same people?

As to Gail Wittich - we've been working on this item for a long time and neither she nor I can definitively state whether James was married to both women, or just one of them.
Thank you!!

Bernie MacArthur


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Re: Braidwood Help
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 April 14 09:00 BST (UK) »
Good morning,
In my opinion there are 2 Jane/Jean Braidwoods.
This Jean Braidwood  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYQR-G7X  is born in Larbet, Stirlingshire  18 Sep 1822 to  John Braidwood and Jean Bell.
It looks like this girl has a twin sister Joan  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT2X-B4C
This appears to be the family on the 1841 Census -
Address, West Carron, Larbet, Stirlingshire
BRAIDWOOD       John       M       57       Fireman                
BRAIDWOOD       Jean       F       18                       
BRAIDWOOD       Joan       F       18                          
BRAIDWOOD       Robert    M       14       Iron Founder Apprentice                   
BRAIDWOOD       Agness    F       3                       
 All born Stirlingshire except John Braidwood (outside Cennsus County).
This Jane Braidwood is a good candidate for the Jane who marries Charles Anderson in 1847 and is on the 1851 with her daughter at Falkirk, Carron Bridge.


The other Jane/Jean Braidwood marries James McArthur in 1838 before the 1841 Census. The marriage is recorded in 2 Parishes Campsie and Rutherglen (as per Ambly's post). Her father is recorded as John Braidwood. She has two daughters prior to the 1841 Census.
Jane Livingston McArthur and Elizabeth Tannahill McArthur. I think the girls middle names could be significant. I wouldn't be surprised if this Jane Braidwood's mother was a Jane Livingston!
I can't find her birth but Ambly has already listed the McArthur family living in Kilmarnock Ayrshire on the 1841 .

Looby :)

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Re: Braidwood Help
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 02 April 14 09:20 BST (UK) »
Would draw your attention to this 1841 Census entry at Campsie Stirlingshire-
Address - Whitefield
Braidwood        John       M       45       Gardener Ag Labourer        Outside Census County            
Braidwood       John       M       15                                       Stirlingshire           
Braidwood       George    M       15       Apprentice Wright        Outside Census County            
Braidwood       James       M       10                                Stirlingshire           
Braidwood       William       M       6                                Stirlingshire           
Braidwood       Jane        F       45                                     Outside Census County            
Braidwood       Agness    F       20                                     Outside Census County 
Braidwood       Mary       F       14                                  Stirlingshire           
 
As you probably know, no relationships to other householders are recorded. The men have been listed before the women but I wonder if this is a family - the parents being John and Jane Braidwood. Could this be Jane/Jean McArthur's (ms Braidwood) family??

Looby :)

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Re: Braidwood Help
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 April 14 00:27 BST (UK) »
I thank you all for your replies!!  I'm going to take the info and review it to make sure I understand it.  If I have any further questions, I'll be sure to reach out.

Again, thanks!!

Bernie.
Thank you!!

Bernie MacArthur

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Re: Braidwood Help
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 August 16 00:30 BST (UK) »
Need a bit more help on this.  I'm pretty sure the parents of Jane are John Braidwood and Jane Drew.  i've found a number of posts stating these are the parents; but with no sources for citation.

I've searched on FamilySearch and ScotlandsPeople but cannot find any birth records for Jane or any other children for these two. 

Any sources would be appreciated.
Thank you!!

Bernie MacArthur

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Re: Braidwood Help
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 August 16 00:55 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage on 13th Feb 1858 at Campsie, Stirlingshire of -
Alexander Dalglish Braidwood to Catharine Baxter - father's name John Braidwood , mother's name Jane Drew . Catherine's parents Andrew Baxter and mother Jean McAdam.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY74-J5S
This would mean Alexander would be the brother of the Jane Braidwood you are researching if indeed the above couple are her parents.

Looby