JOHN KILROY BURNS 1842-1913

[steve62]

Hi,
Trying to find a Census prior to 1861 for JKB, born in County Mayo, to ascertain who is parents were and any siblings. Think father may have been a William Burns (?-?).
I know he married Harriet Nichols  and they had 6 children.
The 1881 UK Census states Acton, Yorkshire.
Not familiar with Irish records, so any help gratefully received.
Have modified since writing

Thanks,

Steve

[Sinann]

Sadly the earliest Census of Ireland is 1901.
You'll need to find his baptism if it survived.
You'll might need more than a county probably need Parish or townland.

RootsIreland has baptism records but they are transcriptions only and often incorrect plus it's pay to view.
That or wait until the records are put online elsewhere which is planned, but that's all we know so far.

Someone here might know more about Mayo records available elsewhere.
and of course don't forget FamilySearch https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list?page=1&countryId=1927084

[heywood]

Helo,
He seems to give Staffordshire as his birthplace more than Mayo.

1851 2019/132/8  has a Kilroy family born Mayo living in Wolverhampton. John is 9 yrs and parents are Thomas and Hannah. 
Do you have his father's name from his marriage certificate?

Oh dear sorry! I couldn't find him in 1861 but have John Kilroy now in 1871 

Heywood

[steve62]

Hi,
Researching for an elderly friend and have spoken to her.
Controversy on his birthplace.  Was County Mayo, but he used to say Staffordshire and no one knows why.   So in documents it could be either.  Evidently from the MC his father was Thomas Burns and not William.  Told me that was something else.
So please can you give me some info on what you have found.
Grateful for your time and interest.

Steve

[steve62]

Hi Sinann,
Thanks you for your info and kind interest.
Will  now also try familysearch.
Someone had told me that Irish records are a bit difficult to find.

Steve

[steve62]

Hi Heywood,
Found  him on Ancestry for 1871,1881,1901,1911.
Could'nt find him for 1851,1861,1891.

If you don't mind where did you find the 1851 as  that will give me, if its right, his parents and can probally work backwards.

Thanks,
Steve

[heywood]

Hi Steve,

Where does the Kilroy part of the name fit in? When does he use it? The 1851 census I referred to was for a Kilroy and I was thinking that his mother may have remarried and he then had the two names. However, I then found the Kilroy chap in later censuses.

I think this is a likely candidate in 1861  2000/ 38/18

John Burns 19 yrs born Wolverhampton. An Iron Miner lodging with a Griffiths family in Willenhall. The occupation and place fits.

1871 he says he is born in Ireland

1881 born Wolverhampton

1891  3749/ 121 / 7

The family are in Wakefield and John is born Mayo 

Heywood

[steve62]

Hi Heywood,
Here is some background info.
John Kilroy Burns 1842-1913 married 1866 Staffordshire Harriet Nichols 1838-1908
and there were 7 children.  The name Kilroy was used as a middle name of most of the generations to follow.  This family conincides with future generations.
He used, for some reason, born Co. Mayo and Staffordshire.
1871- Staffordshire, 1881 - Thurnsccoe,Yorkshire (Coal Miner), 1901 - ditto, 1911 - ditto, but living with the Oldfield family.
You may also be right in that his mother was  called Kilroy as I also found this in my own family research children using mothers' surname as middle name.
What I need is to find a Census prior to 1866 to ascertain parents and/or his Birth details in Ireland.
Have'nt found anything on Ancestry, unless I have missed something.

All I need is someone to point me in the right direction, especially as I have no knowledge of Irish research.
I would be grateful for any suggestions.

Thank you

Steve

[heywood]

To search in Ireland, you would need more information. You have Mayo.

This site is a pay site and results vary. http://mayo.rootsireland.ie/index.php

I have looked and one baptism showed up but when I added father Thomas, the result was nil.
I think you would need more evidence before spending the money.

What was John's father 's occupation on the marriage certificate and who were the witnesses?

In your most recent summary, you haven't included 1891 which I gave you details for and the likely 1861 entry.