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Re: Whereabouts of Joseph HAZELL pre-1891
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 15 April 14 18:13 BST (UK) »
Hi again, Everyone,
Have been away for a really pleasant 2-day break in Brighton, though I could not help chewing over the contents of this thread in spare moments.  So, since I arrived back I've discovered the March quarter 1838 marriage between Henry PRIGG and Amy HAZLE for the Risbridge district volume 12 page 449, which I may very well send off for, as this would get me another generation backwards in this rather fragmented HAZELL family tree…
So can I ask, at the peril of going to the well too often, is this marriage in the Cowlinge PR's, and is there also a burial for a William HAZLE, Amy's first husband presumably some time between perhaps 1836 and 1838.  Or even an earlier marriage between this Amy and William HAZLE some time before 1831, when Elizabeth HAZLE was born - Annes, or anyone else with a little more time and patience to spare on me…!
Very many thanks, Keith

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Re: Whereabouts of Joseph HAZELL pre-1891
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 19 April 14 15:19 BST (UK) »
Taken from Cowlinge parish register

Henry Prigg - full age - widower - labourer
Amy Hazle - full age - widow - (says labourer?)
3rd February 1838
Both of this parish
Fathers: Henry Prigg labourer, John Turner labourer
In presence of John Bye and Elizabeth Bye (both signed)

John Bye and Elizabeth Claydon married in Cowlinge on 1st March 1833

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Re: Whereabouts of Joseph HAZELL pre-1891
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 19 April 14 15:26 BST (UK) »
I searched the Cowlinge registers for a marriage for William Hazle and Amy (Turner) to no avail, also no sign of a burial for William Hazle at Cowlinge. 

A few other bits of information found during my search for the above.  Slight tangents but may be of interest.

I was looking for a possible marriage for John Turner but couldn't see one of those either  ::) , I did see a couple of baptisms: Mary d/o John and Rebecca Turner bn 25/1 bap 14/4/1805 and William s/o John and Rebecca Turner bn 11th October, bap 20th Sept 1807 (this is how it's written in register but should probably be transposed?).  I couldn't see a baptism for an Amy Turner but some of the fiche before these dates looked almost blank, the writing was so faded away.

An Elizabeth d/o Roger and Elizabeth Hazle (late Langley) born 15th March baptised 17th March 1792 at Cowlinge.

Banns for Henry Prigg (sm) and Elizabeth Osborn (sp) 30th Sept, 7th and 10th October 1787
Married 17th October 1787.

Is it worth starting a new thread asking for burial of William Hazle which might give a clue to where William and Amy were living?  Their marriage might be in the same parish.


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Re: Whereabouts of Joseph HAZELL pre-1891
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 19 April 14 22:25 BST (UK) »
Annes,
Thank you so much for coming back with all this extra research on this quite difficult line of enquiry.  So Amy's maiden name was TURNER, and presumably married a William HAZLE somewhere in the area, but where?  And it could very well be a good idea of yours to start another thread on the Suffolk board asking whether anyone can spot this marriage circa 1830 nearby.
Interesting too that the HAZLE surname crops up in Langley in 1792.
Just off the top of my head now (scribbled the entry down on a scrap of paper a few days ago) the only birth registration I could find anywhere in the country (I think) for the right sort of time was a September quarter 1851 birth in St Pancras London for a Joseph James HAZLE.
Quite tempted to send away for that certificate, imagining that Elizabeth HAZLE might have gone to London looking for work, had a child there, and then returned to Cowlinge to meet and marry John BRADDY - probably all in the realms of fantasy, however…
Even the earlier generations are looking tricky too!  Many thanks again for all your help with trying to unravel the mystery of the HAZLE family line.
Keith

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Re: Whereabouts of Joseph HAZELL pre-1891
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 20 April 14 01:01 BST (UK) »
I've found a marriage that sounds like William Hazell to an Amy BUT her surname not Turner.

William Hazell of Cowlinge married Amy Gout 29/4/1828 Wickhambrook.

Now I note on 1851 census that Amy's birthplace is given as Wickhambrook. 

Baptism for Amy:

Amy Gaut bp.11/5/1806 Wickhambrook, dau. of Rachel - note 'Bb, Sp.' which I am assuming refers to Baseborn and Spinster.

Could be that Amy knew her father was named John Turner so gave his name as her father when she married Henry Prigg.   

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Re: Whereabouts of Joseph HAZELL pre-1891
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 20 April 14 09:33 BST (UK) »
Annette,
Thanks so much for taking the trouble to turn this very real possibility/probability for Amy's true origins, and that vital 1828 marriage.  This illegitimacy thing seems to be running through the family in this small area of 19thC rural Suffolk.  I think I need to pay a visit to the Record Office at Bury St Edmunds to see whether there are any of those bastardy orders/bonds or whatever they were called, where the father's name was recorded and he was made to contribute to the upkeep of the child.
Fascinating stuff…
Keith

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Re: Whereabouts of Joseph HAZELL pre-1891
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 24 April 14 14:06 BST (UK) »
It's a bit big (maybe someone can help me with it, figures a bit elongated), but here is the promised photo…
Keith…p.s. Does anyone else recognise any of their own ancestors here…?


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Re: Whereabouts of Joseph HAZELL pre-1891
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 20:37 BST (UK) »
Taken from Cowlinge parish register

Henry Prigg - full age - widower - labourer
Amy Hazle - full age - widow - (says labourer?)
3rd February 1838
Both of this parish
Fathers: Henry Prigg labourer, John Turner labourer
In presence of John Bye and Elizabeth Bye (both signed)

John Bye and Elizabeth Claydon married in Cowlinge on 1st March 1833

Interesting. John Bye and Elizabeth Claydon, are my 3 x gt grandparents.

Elizabeth Bye's parents were, John Claydon and Elizabeth Prigg, b. 1788. She was the sister of the Henry Prigg, b. 1809, who married Amy.

In my notes I have Amy as Amy Haxie nee Gault, born abt 1806, Wickhambrook, Suffolk. Back to the drawing board.

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