James Joseph Craven

[annclare]

Just looked at the prision registers - the 1924 record for James Craven is just an index  listing of prisoners no further information.
Just to muddy the waters -- there are two entries for a James Craven in the prison registers one in 1915 and one 24 Jan 1917 but this is an older James Craven b. c.1896 age 21 5ft 6 and half inches Fair hair brown eyes fresh complexion. Born Meath St present residence James St Father Joseph same address Soldier 4 RDF (Royal Dublin Fusiliers?) Service no 8698 Offence Absence fro H.M. Army - he was handed over to a military escort.
 The 1915 entry is for the same person same offence.
Possibly not related.
annclare

[jnoone]

Hi Annclare
The prison entries for 1915 and1917 for James Craven would correspond with the census return I looked at which I feel is not correct.

[dathai]

Before i proceed any further you will have to note that some parts of census are missing as they cant be found,well at least i cant find them any where on the census.
    The following can all be found on Irish Genealogy and Family Search
Daniel Craven of 9 Church lane son of James and Margaret Craven married Mary Anne York of 3 Corbally Lane dtr of James and Julia on 15 Jan 1865 in St Nicholas church.
Some of their children born before 1881.
James 14 Jan 1866
Mary Anne 24th July 1867 married John Ryan in  Harrington St church 4th April 1887.
Catherine 2nd Jan 1870
Margaret 21 Feb 1872
Julia Maria 20 Aug 1874
Patrick Joseph 2 Sep 1876 married Mary Anne McLoughlin 1896 born 27th Feb 1879.
Bridget Mary 7 Sep 1878
John Joseph 3 Sep 1880.

Patrick Craven 8 Dowkers Lane son of Daniel Craven and Mary Anne York married Mary Anne McLoughlin also Dowkers Lane dtr of Michael McLoughlin and Bridget Finn (should be Feehan)in Harrington St Church on 2 Aug 1896
Children
Daniel 1st Feb 1897 1 Dowkers Lane
Bridget Agnes 23 Oct 1899 21 Lr Clanbrassil St married John Joseph Brady Dublin South 1926.
Michael 27 Sep 1900 27 Lr Clanbrassil St

Mary Anne Craven age 54 a dealer in 1901 at 3 Dowkers Lane (most likely because of her age Mary Anne York widow of Daniel)
Norah 18 dtr
John 20 son
Malachy 16
Denis Ryan 10 nephew
Joseph age 5 son now this lad troubles me as the only Death in Dublin for Daniel Craven age 48 buried Glasnevin 1890 5yrs before his birth.

1901 census 2 Dawkers Lane MICHAL(AS SPELT)Mc Laughlin age 45 painter most likely Patrick Cravens father in law.
wife Bridget 39
Dtr Bridget age 22
Margaret 24
William 27 ages for these a bit off when compared to their baptisms on Irish Genealogy.

as i was in the G R O this morning i took the liberty of getting 2 certs to help you out.

James Craven 27 Lr Clanbrassil St born 5th Nov 1902 son of Patrick Craven( occ car driver)and Mary Anne McLoughlin

Marriage in St Nicholas 4th Dec 1932 registered 6th March 1933.
James Craven (bread van driver) of 27 William Place son of Patrick ( car driver) to
Margaret McCormack 4 Whitefriar St dtr of Patrick McCormack (labourer)
witnesses Gerard Collins and Annie McCormack.

possible census return for Margaret McCormack age 10 in 1911
1911 census 32.6 Cuffe St
Patrick McCormack age 41 factory lbr
Bridget age 39
Margaret age 10
Laurence age 8
Kathleen age 6
Elizabeth age 2

Cheers Dathai

[dathai]

Maria Anna York baptised in St Nicholas 1st Oct 1843 dtr of James York and Julia Curran.

James York married Judith? Curran 16th n/r 1840 St Nicholas

1901 census 10.2 Graves Cottages
James York age 80 grandfather born wicklow ,retired bussiness,widower

Death 1902 in Dublin North James York age 65?

[Jessies Mum]

Dathai, thank you - that is a huge amount of information!  Thank you sincerely.  I need to just stop and go through each line you have written and piece this altogether - what a huge lot you have found! 

[dathai]

Also note Clanbrassil St is on the census returns maybe they just did'nt bother to fill one out.

[dathai]

possible marriage for his brother Daniel
Marriage Dublin South 1918
July Sep vol 2 page 662
Daniel Craven match Charlotte Cullen.

[jnoone]

Hi
If the census return for Margaret Mc Cormack(aged 10) living in Cuffe Street 1911 is correct then the following two records night be worth looking at

Marriages Dublin South Oct/Dec 1899
              Patrick M'Cormack-Bridget Finegan
              Vol. 2
              Page 672

Births      Dublin South Apr/Jun 1901
              Margaret M'Cormack
              Vol 2
              Page 646

[dathai]

Griffiths Valuation of 1854 shows a Patrick York at Ferns Court,Cross Kevin St in 1854 now he could be the father or brother of James York
The prison register for Daniel Craven whiteboy offence 1867 gives his address as Ferns Court, Kevin St.
The Freemans Journal of 6th March 1867 title ''Fenian Rising'' shows an arrest of a Daniel Craven, i dont have access to this as its a paying site.