Are there missing OPR's for Cambuslang? Early 1820's.

[Joyful]

Hi

Welcome to Rootschat

Where are they in the 1841 census What other children do they have
The more information you can give, the better our chances of helping you

Joy

[anne_p]

Londonmeerkat,
William Struthers and Margaret Kyle were also my husband's direct ancestors.
I never located them after 1841 either but, I have been researching them for 8yrs and I have  a wealth of info on all their children except Agnes, Helen and Marion ( found her at 1851).
Which child are you descended from?

They were not from Cambuslang and were both born in East Kilbride.

Edit: I think I know your line now.... Elizabeth Struthers and William Neilson?

[Londonmeerkat]

Hi Joy,

Thanks for the welcome.

Anne, yes i'm decended from William Neilson & Elizabeth Struthers.

I've traced Helen & Marion Struthers;

Marion Struthers married John Wilson 22nd May 1853 in Glasgow. She died 2nd July 1876 in Glasgow. John Wilson (a stone mason) was born 1829 in Glasgow / died 20th May 1890 in Glasgow.

Helen Struthers married John Brown (also a stone mason) on 18th July 1845 in Cambuslang. They had two children born in Rutherglen in 1846 and 1848, but in 1851 John was described as a widow. John Brown was born 1823 in Rutherglen and died 29th May 1887 in Paisley.

I have images of the death certificates if you would like me to forward copies?

I've traced the other children and have found marriage / census and death records for all but James Struthers (I found him in 1851 in Glasgow, but by 1861 his wife was a widow - not sure when / where he died).

As for Agnes Struthers and her parents they were living at Sauchidyke in 1841 but by 1851 i'm pretty sure they must all have died. There's no mention in either East Kilbride / Cambuslang burial records on Scotlands people during that period for any of them - could they have been buried elsewhere or are there gaps in the burial registers?

What sort of information do you have on William and Margaret's children?

 

[anne_p]

Thanks Darren but I already have the death cert for John Wilson widower of Marion Struthers.
( i posted my lat message from memory and forgot that I had already unearthed Marion's marriage)

I was never sure if Helen Struthers was the wife of John Brown, but that 1851 return you mention?
The penny has finally dropped!

 John Brown and John Wilson, husbands of Helen and Marion Struthers must have been.. cousins !

[Baird]

Just a thought arising from my Struthers information. Have you tried Carmunnock?
Also if you have come across a link to West Rogerton Farm in East Kilbride I may have some family information.
Regards,
Baird

[anne_p]

Hi Baird,
I started researching my Struthers family in 2007
I haven't linked any of this family to West Rogerton.
The earliest family is James Struthers and Bethia Struthers ( maiden name) who were both in Ek parish when they married in 1771, and it's almost impossible to find definitive parents for either.

The OPR births provide a father's name only.
Back in 2008, I manually searched the OPR film at the library to find their children's births and  managed to separate them from all the other children born to another James Struthers in same time period.
 I found 8 births total.

I am slowly finding subsequent records for these children but so far, I have established marriages and subsequent descendants for 4 of them.

The remaining children are: James 1776, John 1778, Agnes 1780 and Helen 1786.

Anne

[anne_p]

Hi Baird,
That Rogerton Farm connection that you mention.
Are you by any chance. referring to a Warnock/Struthers marriage ?

[Baird]

Hello AnneP,
                    no Warnocks I'm afraid my first Struther was Andrew 1773-1846. He died at West Rogerton Farm and was married to a Margaret McCallister . He died at West Rogerton Farm.

The children I have for them are;
 Andrew , born East Kilbride 1806 married to Janet Shearer born Avondale and who died in Glasgow 1874.

Janet, Robert, Lillias and John.

Andrew and Janet Shearer had 7 children that I know of ; one of them, Margaret Struthers was the second wife of my Great Great Grandfather, William Baird. At the time of their marriage William was resident at Woodside Farm in East Kilbride and Margaret at Rogerton Farm.
William Baird died in 1892 at Dykehead Farm in Hamilton and Margaret at Lairfield Farm in Glasford in 1922.
Hope this helps but there are also Struthers wills on Scotlands People with a lot of information.

Baird

[anne_p]

Thanks Baird,
It was out of interest only

Warnock/Struthers marriage from 1811. Banns in Eaglesham, Renfrewshire
This couple then farmed in Eaglesham, Blantyre and Hamilton

I have death certs for both which confirms that the Struthers wife was from my family.
I have noted the age and place of birth for her husband and parents listed in the death cert
James Warnock bc 1798 in EK, parents William Warnock and Ann Smith

I don't usually research spouses in detail but there are many trees ( no doubt copied from each other)  that have identified this man as born at Rogerton Farm, East Kilbride  on 29 Jul 1798

As early EK OPRs baptisms don't have a mother's name, I'm not certain how anyone can positively identify him as this particular child?

However, assuming that a corresponding baptism does exist, it must put a family called Warnock at Rogerton Farm late 1790's.
My guess is  tenants/ farm labourers?

Farm horse tax rolls of 1797-8  show:
 2 men called Hamilton and one named  Alexander Struthers, all paying horse tax at Rogerton

http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/historical-tax-rolls/farm-horse-tax-rolls-1797-1798/farm-horse-tax-1797-1798-volume-04/29#zoom=3&lat=847.66467&lon=694&layers=B