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Re: Frederick James Bigham (Powell)
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 04 December 16 13:30 GMT (UK) »

1881 Census, Bristol St James

Margaret POWELL - aged 36, born Ireland
Frederick POWELL - Grandson, aged 4, born Bristol St Pauls  ??
Lily ANDERSON - grand-daughter - 5 - born Ireland
Henry POWELL - Son - 28 - born Ireland
Annie POWELL - daughter-in-law- 24, born Bristol St James
Thomas POWELL - Grand-son - 2 - born Bristol St James


?? this depends on when Henry POWELL married Annie ***- although Frederick aged 4 is listed after his Grandmother and not 'between' Annie and Thomas aged 2


*** or did she marry Thomas Frederick POWELL


someone has annotated the 1881 census on Ancestry to suggest Henry is Thomas Frederick - and indeed is yuo look at the image it definitely says Thomas not Henry

also, as yet I am notsure how we link Elizabeth b c1854 Bristol or Bath to this family, especially as thomas is b c1853 in Ireland

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Re: Frederick James Bigham (Powell)
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 04 December 16 18:40 GMT (UK) »
?Not sure if in the past, I've seen where people don't say they were born in Ireland (prejudice) as did 'Travellers"

Thomas & Ann POWELL don't have a Frederick POWELL with them on the 1891 census

1891 Census
Bedminster
St Lukes
Brewers Place

Thomas POWELL - aged 38, born Mayo, Ireland (Shoemaker)
Ann POWELL - wife - 28 - born Bristol, England
Thomas - 12 (aged 2 on the 1881 census)
Robert - 10
Harriett - 8
Margaret - 6
Eliza - 4
Henry - 2
John - 0

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Re: Frederick James Bigham (Powell)
« Reply #11 on: Monday 05 December 16 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Hello
I've been through all the Elizabeth Powells registered in Gloucestershire 1855-1858 and there are only two with a father Thomas.
Elizabeth Alma Mar 1857 Northleach d of Thomas and Mary nee Cross (but she's on the 1881 census so not her )
Elizabeth Dec 1855 Westbury on Severn d of Thomas and Ann nee Barnett.(just found her 1881 so not her).
Neither are a home missionary I'm afraid.

I also tried Elizabeth Dudleys but there are none in Gloucestershire

 Or Forget all that and is this her on the 1861 census
Ebrington Gloucestershire
Thomas Willoughby 82 widower on parish Churchill Oxfordshire
John Powell 41 plate layer  Imbleton Worcs s in law
Hannah 39  daughter Hidcote
Charles 11 ag lab Hicote
Anna 9
Selina 4
Elizabeth D 2 Hidcote

She's baptised as Elizabeth Dora 19 June 1859 at Ebrington and appears on the 1871 as Dora.

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Re: Frederick James Bigham (Powell)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 05 December 16 15:09 GMT (UK) »


Marriage at Birmingham 1882

Elizabeth Dora POWELL to William Thomas BROWN


1891 Census,
Latimer Street South, Birmingham

E Dora BROWN - Widow - aged 33, born Gloucestershire
William J BROWN - son aged 8, born Gloucestershire


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1882

William J BROWN - mother's maiden name: POWELL

Shipston-on-Stour, Chipping Campden


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Re: Frederick James Bigham (Powell)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 05 December 16 15:09 GMT (UK) »
Marriage at Birmingham: 28 October 1895

Elizabeth Dora BROWN, aged 36 - father: John POWELL

married

Thomas WOODCOCK, aged 44 - father: John WOODCOCK


1901 Census - Ruston Street, Birmingham

Thos WOODCOCK - aged 53
Elzth WOODCOCK - aged 43 - born Camden, Glos


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Elizabeth POWELL - 1859, mother's maiden name: WILLOUGHBY

Shipston-on-Stour, Chipping Campden


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Just to recap :

Frederick POWELL is aged 14 on the 1891 census c1877 and then aged 22 on the 1901 census c1879.


? still wonder who the Frederick POWELL aged 4 Grandson on the 1881 census as

Thomas Frederick POWELL christened 28 January 1879 at St Barnabas Bristol - parents Thomas Frederick POWELL and Annie  (aged 2 on the 1881 census) - ? Would Thomas & Annie, name two sons with the name Frederick??

Annie Georgina POWELL (nee PARSONS) - christened 2 September 1880 St John The Evangelist Church, Clifton - same parents.

Thomas Frederick POWELL (father Henry) married Annie Louisa PARSONS - 1 May 1876, Bristol St Paul, Portland Square, Glos ....  ? who were the witnesses etc.

Frederick POWELL the Grandson aged 4 - is also listed as being born in Bristol St Pauls.  Margaret is a Widow

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Re: Frederick James Bigham (Powell)
« Reply #14 on: Friday 28 July 17 20:08 BST (UK) »
Hi all.
Many thanks for everyones help on this subject. I have not been active on my tree for a while now, but just starting to pick it back up, i will be looking into all the info you good people have put on here and see where it leads, now i am coming up to retirement i might find more time to dig around.
So once again Thanks to you all.
Bigham, Monmouthshire
Gooding, Somerset
Anstice, Bristol& Monmouthshire
North, Somerset
Willmer, Sussex

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Re: Frederick James Bigham (Powell) one of several Powell parents in Som/Glos?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 29 July 17 18:19 BST (UK) »
Interesting..... these Powells.....from Ireland, multiple forenames suggests their religion,

Mine are:

Name:   William Joseph POWELL**
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Birth:   1860   Westport, County Mayo, Ireland
Death:   1930   Bath, Somerset, England
Occupation:   Commercail Traveller or just a ‘Traveller’
Marriage:   1882   Bath, Somerset, England
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Spouse:   Eva Frances BROWN ...perhaps With An E
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Birth:   1862   Bath, Somerset, England
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Children
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1 F:   Eva Frances Browne POWELL
Birth:   Sept Q 1883   Bath, Somerset, England
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2 F:   Helena Letitia D POWELL
Birth:   Sept Q 1884   Bath, Somerset, England
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3 M:   William Maurice M POWELL
Birth:   Sept Q 1885   Bath, Somerset, England/ Broadclyst Devon
Spouse:   Rosamond Alicia BAYNE
Marriage:   Mar 1905   St. Thomas The Apostle, Broadclyst, Devon, England
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4 M:   Walton Hubert C POWELL
Birth:   Mar Q 1888   Bath, Somerset, England
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5 F:   Algorta Marjorie Blanche CHILD (Aka Diana)
Birth:   1889   “Widford, Hertford, England (or so her Marr L says)”
Death:   10 Apr 1927   Ayr District Asylum (as Diana Hamilton)
Spouse:   Sir Charles Edward Archibald Watkin HAMILTON Bart. Of Trebunshin
Marriage:   8 Nov 1906   St Marylebone Register Office, London
Divorce:   1908
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6 F:   Marjorie Adelaide F POWELL Poss Missing Child
Birth:   Dec Q1889   Barton Regis, Gloucestershire
Spouse:   Walter ELLIOTT
Marriage:   1923   Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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7 F:   Hilda Geraldine Ridley POWELL
Birth:   Sept Q 1890   Barton Regis, Gloucestershire
Death:   Dec 1963   Chichester, Sussex, England
Spouse:   George William CHILD
Marriage:   1911   St Giles, London
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8 F:   Nahneen Helen Yvonne CHILD
Birth:   24 Jul 1891   Ireland, Waterford? (marr License?)
Death:   26 Jan 1951   West Bromwich, Oldbury, Worcs
Spouse:   Frederick Beaconsfield PENTLAND
Marriage:   1923   St Georges Hanover Square, London
Spouse:   Capt. Claude Patrick Julian HAYES
Marriage:   10 Aug 1914   Kensington, London (civil) and at Notre Dame des Victoires, Paris

** 1889 saw W J Powell prosecuted in Wells and then in Bath for Bigamy. Lots of press reports.

  5 & 8 have been brick walls for me for yonks i know a lot about  both - 8 was the mother of my cousin (93+ today!) So when I found a link to 7 Thought thetas achancebut the last Press report cites the Judge as saying that WJP had 8 children.... and with several obvious links I could suddenly see that this was my Cousins family.

She assumed her Mum kept her family history to herself because there was something especially good - now we know it was the opposite.

WJP was a seaman, was a Captain ...of a Salvation Army Chapel he had set up, had been in prison for not being good.... had been a children's entertainer.

He died in 1930 in Bath.... what else can I learn of him, his origins, where his family were in 1891, 1901, 1911 and later? I know where Hilda, Algorta and Nahneen were! I know William married and had 3 children but what about the others and Eva their Mum? I am looking for her parents too!

So yes these Powells are the children of a man who was a traveller and commercial traveller - who broke the laws of church and state - did his family desert him because of that?

Anyone have access to bath electoral rolls in the years up to 1930.

Who knows maybe we have links yet to find?
YARWOOD in Warks/Ches but also London, Northants, Lincs, USA and Australia.
PENTLAND in Warks/Staffs/Yorks, Arm IRL: Chch NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800.
COLLINS aka COLLERIN , GALLAGHER & COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, Mayo IRL bef.
FRYER/FRIAR Lurgan Armagh, Edin & Glasgow SCO
BROOKES WH & WFP RA WW1 & 2
NEWSON & 'WATTS' Felixstow SFK, NZ,
HORTON, Surgn  Warwicks. FORTESCUE
PARKER, Charles, 1800-1853 Milit.Ornament Manuf. Aston, Gravelly Hill, Birmingham,