Saunders/Moore. Emigrated from Ireland to New Zealand about 1900.

[groom]

She refers to her other children, several of whom  appeared to be still living in Rathfriland, but no mention of Clara.

I wonder if Clara left home "under a cloud" and was disowned by the family and that is why she isn't mentioned at all in the will?

[littleorme]

Hi,
It's certainly possible. Four of her sisters became nuns, and she had two nephews who were priests.
Who knows what was expected of her?

[Beg Clonrode...]

Interestingly (or not) a 99 year old Clara SAUNDERS died in Napier, NZ in 1983, giving her a birth year of 1884.
[...]
I'll sort out a death notice look-up.

Hi again...

I had a look at the 1983 death notice for the Clara SAUNDERS who died in Napier, NZ. No family mentioned except her late husband Bill. It says she was 92 years old which agrees with the following death listing on the BDM NZ website...

1983/37128 - Clara SAUNDERS d.o.b 22 October 1890

Of course the informant for the death certificate and death notice may well be wrong and the age of 99 years given for Clara on the Hastings Cemetery website is correct. Who knows :-) I tend to think the informant is more likely to be right and that the cemetery website is a typo.

If you want to take it further you can start a probate look-up thread and some kind soul will have a look at this Clara's probate file. It might mention a family member (niece/nephew) which might enable you to pinpoint who this Clara was. Just include the following info...

Wellington Archives Probate Look-Up

SAUNDERS, Clara (R23483024)    1977 - 1983
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23483024

-----

Have you considered doing a "Full GRONI Search" to find out the father(s) of the Clara MOORE(s) who married in 1915 and 1920. Might be helpful. Might not. 

Full GRONI search results
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z6s/

As I read it, it only costs two quid a pop. Sounds like a bargain to me

GRONI search fees explained
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z6t/

Regards
Beg

[spades]

Hi Littleorme,

To save you the trouble of starting a lookup topic I'll have a look for this file for you.

SAUNDERS, Clara (R23483024)    1977 - 1983
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23483024

Spades

[littleorme]

Many thanks Spades for the offer to look up the Probate.
Also many thanks Beg for the tip re GRONI. I couldn't find a marriage for Clara between 1900 and 1927, but I did find her dob 26 August 1884, which will exclude some possibilities.
The Hastings Cemetery website showed the funeral directors as Dunstalls in Napier. I've sent them an email for help.
Thanks for advice/help.

[littleorme]

The ability to do a search of bmd at GRONI is very recent. So when I did a search for Clara, I was pleased to find her birth: 26 August 1884! The info from Hastings cemetery might well be correct, therefore. (I also saw death certificates for her parents, and a brother)
I did not find a marriage certificate, so I assume Clara married in NZ. I looked from 1900 to 1927.
 I noticed that the funeral directors were Dunstalls, so I sent them an email asking for any info they can share.

[Janette]

There is this marriage

1927/9475 Clara  Thornburrow to Wilbert Pullman Healy  Saunders 

Wilbert Pullman Healy  Saunders  lived in Napier according to the ER's

Wilbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1911 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Wilbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1919 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Wilbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1928 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Wilbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1935 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Wilbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1938 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Wilbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1949 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Wilbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1954 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Wilbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1963 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Wilbert Pullman Saunders 1957 Napier Hawke's Bay 
 Welbert Pullman Healy Saunders 1946 Napier Hawke's Bay

Cremation
Details for SAUNDERS, WILLET PULLMAN HEALY
Surname SAUNDERS   
First name WILLET PULLMAN HEALY   
Age at death 78   
Date of death/burial 7/4/1967   
Cemetery Cremation   
Address 0   
District NAPIER   
Occupation   
Block name   
Plot number 0   
Site D26_M   
Purchaser   
Funeral director   
Reference C04102   


Cheers Janette

[Beg Clonrode...]

re GRONI. I couldn't find a marriage for Clara between 1900 and 1927

Hi again...

So just to clarify.... on FamilySearch the Irish Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958 mention two likely marriages for a Clara MOORE in the Belfast district, one in 1915 and one in 1920.

You've done a "full" GRONI search and neither of the marriages list Clara's father as Edward, so both the marriages and grooms (mentioned in reply #16) can be discounted.

Is that right?

-----

And just for the record, if Dunstans send you a copy of the 1983 death notice for Clara SAUNDERS the lady mentioned after "All messages to..." is the following...

Hastings Cemetery
http://cemeterybase.hdc.govt.nz/Details.aspx?id=C23451

Hope the above link worked. As it's relatively recent I'll not give her name on the main board but you'll know it's the right record if the address is Ngarimu Street (although it should be Ngarimu Crescent, another typo). A cremation record for her husband K is also on the cemetery website.

As an aside, I'm not 100% sure to what or where the "Site: D26_M" refers. Might be a niche. Might not. Seems a bit strange for Napierites to be interred in Hastings cemetery.

"Site: D26_M" seems to be a common entry in the Hastings cemetery website cremation records so I'll send an email to the sexton asking what it means.

-----

Hi Spades... thanks again for your offer. If time allows would you be able to look up this Clara's ITM as well as her probate file. Hopefully it will indicate a previous marriage for Clara as there's very little chance that THORNBURROW is a transcription error of MOORE :-)

Wilbert Pullman Healy SAUNDERS to Clara THORNBURROW
Married 21 Dec 1927 in Napier

Personally I think she's a red herring as her "22 Oct 1890" date of birth given on BDM NZ Deaths is so specific. Not even close to the "26 Aug 1884" mentioned by Littleorme. Hopefully your efforts will clear things up.

Regards
Beg

[spades]

Hi Beg,

Always in harness, aren't we? Yes, I'll look up that ITM.

Spades