Help with Grocock and Hall Family please

[Pat]

Charles James Grocock married Mary Ann Hall 14 May 1863 in Kirton, Lincs.   Also John Hall married Eliza Grocock 26 Feb 1866 In Moulton, Lincs.
Both marriages state Grocock father as James Grocock  also both Hall's have a father Thomas Hall. Unfortunately neither of these marriage show any witnesses which adds to the difficulty of knowing if I have the right Hall family which is my main interest.
My problem is I have been unable to find anything further on both these couples.  No census after the marriages.   I did find what may have been the right Charles Grocock boarding with a family in 1861. and also possibly Eliza boarding with another family in 1861.
I really need to find them at home with their father before their marriages to confirm I have the right people.
Any help with finding these couples after their marriages would be most appreciated.
Cheers,
Pat.

[rosie99]

Could you please give the full details from the marriage certificates.

Rosie

[trish1120]

MARRIAGES,
St Andrew, Moulton, with Father as JAMES Grocock;
MARY Grocock  to Stephen WRIGHT, 13 Sept 1863
JOSEPH Grocock age 25 (Fathers Occp Publican) to Anne Maria HOLMAN, 14 Oct 1873
+ ELIZA Grocock to John HALL that you have.
(Source FreeREG)

1861 Census Josephs Father James is born c 1811 Silk Wikarty, Lincolnshire (sic) down as GROWCOCK. Mother Ann.
Children are;
Mary 1838
Catherine 1844
James 1846
Joseph 1848
Eliza 1849
Geo 1854
Henry 1856
Stephen 1859

I cant find the Family in 1851 but in 1841 they only have 3 Children;
James Grocock    30
Ann Grocock    25
Betsey Grocock    5
Mary Grocock    3
William Grocock    1



James GROCOCK of Silk Willoughby married Anne *ALKENCE of Askaby Parish, 15 May 1834, St Andrew, Asgarby by Sleaford
Witnesses, William and Marianne Taylor
(FreeREG)

As I cant find the 1851 Census it is hard to say if Joseph is a Brother of the Mary Ann and Charles Joseph Grocock you seek.

They are very elusive.
I cant find Stephen Wright with a Wife Mary in 1871 Census either.

[Pat]

I Rosie,
This information comes from the Kirton parish register, not a certificate.
14 May 1863 Charles Grocock (21) labourer Kirton/Skeldyke - Father James - labourer
to Mary Ann Hall (24) Kirton/Skeldyke - Father Thomas - Fisherman
I have not recorded any witnesses.  I did it too long ago to remember if there were witnesses and I couldn't read them or if there were none recorded.  For some unknown reason I haven't detailed the problem.
The marriage of John Hall and Eliza Grocock was on free REG.  Same fathers as the above previous marriage.
Cheers,
Pat

Could you please give the full details from the marriage certificates.

Rosie

[Pat]

Hi Trish, Thank you for your help.
You are quite right about the family being very elusive.  They sound very much like my Hall family but I really need to see a census to see where they were born. 
Surely they couldn't have all died before the 1871 census, and  I don't think it's likely both couples have had their names misspelt on every census.
Thank you once again,
Pat

MARRIAGES,
St Andrew, Moulton, with Father as JAMES Grocock;
MARY Grocock  to Stephen WRIGHT, 13 Sept 1863
JOSEPH Grocock age 25 (Fathers Occp Publican) to Anne Maria HOLMAN, 14 Oct 1873
+ ELIZA Grocock to John HALL that you have.
(Source FreeREG)




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[trish1120]

All the Children are born Swineshead except Stephen who is born Moulton.
Ann c 1814 Anwick, James c 1811 Silk Willoughby
RG9/2325/37/22
They all disappear also after 1861.

James prob Death Reg, March 1871, Spalding age 60

[trish1120]

Thats them, Eliza WALL (Hall) is with Mother Ann in 1871.
Back soon will type up, or do you have that?.

[trish1120]

1871 Census
Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire
RG10/3318/88/2
Ann GROCOCK, 54, Head, Widow, Ag Lab, born Anwick
Henry, 15, Son, Ag Lab,born Holbeach
Stephen, 18, ((image is 12),Son, Ag Lab, born Pinchbeck
Eliza WALL (image is Hall), 22, Widow, Ag Lab, born Holbeach
Annie D Grocock, 4mths (image is 4ys I think), Grand/Daug born Moulton

I think Annie should be Hall as she is dittoed from below Eliza but transcribed as Grocock

There is a Death Reg June 1866 Spalding for a John Hall age 22 and a Birth Reg June 1866 for a Annie Hall.

[Pat]

You've been a great help Trish, thank you so much.  This entry certainly adds up to me.  I don't know how I can really prove it was the right John Hall though.
Hopefully I can somehow find Charles Grocock on a census with Mary Ann Hall and at least show she belongs to my Hall's.
Thanks to you it appears I have solved one half of my problem.
Cheers,Pat

1871 Census
Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire
RG10/3318/88/2
Ann GROCOCK, 54, Head, Widow, Ag Lab, born Anwick
Henry, 15, Son, Ag Lab,born Holbeach
Stephen, 18, ((image is 12),Son, Ag Lab, born Pinchbeck
Eliza WALL (image is Hall), 22, Widow, Ag Lab, born Holbeach
Annie D Grocock, 4mths (image is 4ys I think), Grand/Daug born Moulton

I think Annie should be Hall as she is dittoed from below Eliza but transcribed as Grocock

There is a Death Reg June 1866 Spalding for a John Hall age 22 and a Birth Reg June 1866 for a Annie Hall.