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Is he Dutch?
« on: Saturday 17 May 14 18:57 BST (UK) »
After her husband Samuel Moth died in 1837 one of my ancestors Ann Moth from Cowes in the Isle of Wight had a number of children with man by the name of Geert Hindricks Noorman or George Henry on some of the children's birth & marriage certificates. I've been unable to find a marriage but he appeared on the 1841 census aged 49 years and living with the family. He was a North Sea and Baltic pilot. I wondered if anyone knew of an online site for BMD's for Holland assuming of course that it is a Dutch name? I also wondered if there was a register for North Sea pilots anywhere?
I'm hoping someone out there can help.
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Re: Is he Dutch?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 May 14 19:12 BST (UK) »
I wonder whether he is the Geert Hendriks Noorman named as father of Dirkje Noorman, baptised in Amsterdam on 16 Nov 1819? Mother Dirkje Janssen Santjer.

See www.familysearch.org which has this among its Dutch records.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Is he Dutch?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 May 14 22:36 BST (UK) »
WieWasWie is one:
https://www.wiewaswie.nl/
It has some more Noorman/Santjer records, for example, they had a daughter,
 Aaltje Noorman m. in 1828 aged 24 listed as b. Emden (Hannover)
father koopvaardijkapitein (master mariner)

and a son d. 1833, Hinderk Noorman aged 27, also listed as b. Emden.

Coverage is not 100% complete, though.
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Re: Is he Dutch?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 May 14 09:29 BST (UK) »
Ah, that is a good site, jorose.

I see that Aaltje's husband Willem Smit gave his mother's name as Eeke Hendriks Noorman.  A relative of Geert's, perhaps?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Is he Dutch?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 May 14 09:48 BST (UK) »
Geert's age of 49 in 1841 (b abt 1792) must of course have been understated if he had fathered Aaltje in c1804 and Hinderk in c1806.

I can't see a death for him in Isle of Wight records.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Is he Dutch?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 May 14 13:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much for this info. I'd forgotten all about Family Search but I'll try the 'wiewaswie' site as well. I'm assuming that he is Dutch from what you've both said. On one of the children's marriage certificate in 1870 it says he is deceased but I can't find it in the death index and as you say it definitely wasn't on the Isle of Wight. Perhaps he returned to his family in Holland. Do you know if the National Archives has a list of Master Mariners or Pilots from abroad?

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Re: Is he Dutch?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 May 14 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Geo Henry Noorman (pilot) arrived London aboard the "John Bull" on 09/04/1847 from Hamburg, Germany. Country of origin/native of Prussia.

Geo Heinrich Noorman (pilot) arrived London aboard the "Wilberforce" on 22/02/1848 from Cuxhaven, Germany. Country of origin/native of Hanover, Germany.

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 May 14 14:50 BST (UK) »
At least some of the older children were born Emden which is in Germany (Hanover) but not that far away - presumably as a master mariner he could have been moving around various seaports so wasn't necessarily born Emden.

It's possible that Geert husband to Dirkje Janssen Santjer was also father to Geert/George b. ~1792 (possibly born to a first wife if Dirkje was till having kids in 1819), although age on the 1841 census is notoriously inaccurate and he could have knocked off a few years when he went to the UK.

familysearch has some non-named indexed civil records as well. 
Amsterdam (tafels - indexes)
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0za7/
 shows Dirkje b. 18 Nov 1819
Here's the original (bottom left)
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0za9/

Her father signs - don't suppose you have anything with his signature on it to compare?
It would be worth working through the Amsterdam death indexes to see if you can find out what happened to  Dirkje Janssen Santjer and any other kids they had.
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Re: Is he Dutch?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 May 14 20:00 BST (UK) »
I'm always truly amazed at the amount of information everyone is able to find, thank you so much. Unfortunately I don't have any example of his handwriting so won't be able to actually prove that this is the same man. He seems to be a very profligate character, producing all these children, as he had five possibly six with Ann Moth. I will work through the death records as you advise to see if I can find his death.
Thanks once again.