Author Topic: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814  (Read 2964 times)

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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 07:13 BST (UK) »
1828 Census

William WELCH, 31, Government Servant, Tottenham, 1817, 14 years, protestant, Gardener, Pitt Street.

Elizabeth WELCH, 24, came free, Indispensable, 1808, protestant

Harriett, 3, born in the colony
Richard William, 2, born in the colony
An Infant (no age given), born in the colony

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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 22:25 BST (UK) »
Does anyone have the names of their children from the 1828 Census?
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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 22:45 BST (UK) »
Does anyone have the names of their children from the 1828 Census?
Greg


Debra has already posted their names on #9.

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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 May 14 06:54 BST (UK) »
You probably have his death notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13363166

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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 May 14 07:07 BST (UK) »
This birth notice suggests that the son with whom he was staying at the time of his death had the initials G C WELCH.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28399854

Funeral notice:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13361115

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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 May 14 12:02 BST (UK) »
Marriage:

William WELSH m. Elizabeth HAZELTON 8 May 1824 St. Phillips CoE Sydney #V1824345 8

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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 22 May 14 21:47 BST (UK) »
Could be worth looking at britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
Essex Assizes, Summer 1817 in 'Cambridge Chronicle and Journal', Fri 8 Aug 1817 mentions a 'William Welch'
Suffolk Assizes, Summer 1817, in 'Norfolk Chronicle' Sat 9 Aug 1817 mentions a 'W Welch'

He is also mentioned in the A/try dataset 'England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791 - 1892'

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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1814
« Reply #16 on: Monday 21 July 14 01:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Greg,

Following on from Gali's post, it seems that the criminal register has been incorrectly written or I am reading it wrong.  It looks to me like the person above William, Edward HASLAR was tried for 'Stealing Cattle' and William below him is shown as 'Shooting at Do' (meaning 'ditto').  I thought this meant 'shooting at cattle', but it is far more interesting than that, William was a member of the 'desperate Elsenham gang'.  How exciting!  ;D

You may already have this by now:

From the  'Cambridge Chronicle and Journal', Fri 8 Aug 1817
http://postimg.org/image/5jblsffvb/

It starts at the bottom of the first column and he was actually shooting at a farmer, James DENNIS.  The reference to William continues at the bottom of the second column where Lord Ellenborough is addressing the prisoners - "As to you WELSH...."

Some articles about the gang:

http://tlhs.org.uk/elsenham_gang.htm

http://www.hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/Whats-On-Leisure/My-ancestors-were-vicious-armed-gang.htm

There is also an article about the gang in The Essex Family Historian, No. 106, Autumn (November) 2002 by Fred Feather.

Debra  :)

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Re: William Richard Welch - Convict arrived "Tottenham" 1818
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 13:16 BST (UK) »
Debra
Thanks so much for the added information. My dilemma now is how do I establish whether my William Welch is indeed the same person as William Welsh of the Elsenham Gang? As far as I have been able to establish there were at least six convicts named William Welch who were transported to NSW.
Greg