Rebecca Judith Larcher

[philipsearching]

The birth record of Thomas Mark LARCHER in 1820 names his mother as Rebecca Judith, daughter of John MARTLY (or HARTLY?) weaver of Bethnal Green.

 I have not yet found any information on Rebecca's baptism, marriage (to Andrew LARCHER before 1804), or death/burial.

Andrew is alone on the 1841 census in Gibraltar Gardens, Bethnal Green (so Rebecca may have died before 1841.  I can't see a death for her on FreeBMD so she may have died before 1837.

If any Rootschatter could cast fresh eyes on the search for Rebecca's B,M or D record I would be most grateful.

Philip

[..claire..]

Hi Philip

Her death is registered as ANN Rebecca Larcher in 1838 ( if it is her)

Ann Rebecca Larcher buried 26 July 1838 aged 54 at Bethnal Green.
Abode: Gibralter Gardens.

Claire

[philipsearching]

Hi Philip

Her death is registered as ANN Rebecca Larcher in 1838 ( if it is her)

Ann Rebecca Larcher buried 26 July 1838 aged 54 at Bethnal Green.
Abode: Gibralter Gardens.

Claire

Many thanks for this, Claire.  I had seen and discounted this entry on FreeBMD as the name Rebecca does pop up in the family several times.  However, given that the family was in Gibraltar Gardens in 1820, and as the age is given as 54 (a little young, but not unreasonable) I will have to think again.

Could I be cheeky and ask if a kind Rootschatter would do a quick search for this Rebecca on the 1841 and 1851 census around the Bethnal Green/Spitalfields area?

Philip

[..claire..]

Hi

Can't see a Rebecca on either 1841 or 51. Sorry.

The burial for Ann Rebecca was at St Matthews Bethnal Green.

Can't find a baptism either, the nearest is a NC baptism of an Ann HARLY, parents Timothy and Ann. At Holborn Lying in Hospital in 1784.

Claire

[philipsearching]

Rootschatter Barbara_F has kindly found a non-conformist baptism for:
15 April 1764 - Rebekah, daughter of John Hartley, mercer, Fleet Street.

My Rebecca's youngest child (Thomas Mark Larcher) was born 15 Jan 1820.  On the Protestant Dissenters Register Andrew Larcher marks, but Rebecca signs Rebeker Larcher.  Her father is named as John Hartly, weaver.

For the two to be the same person, John would have to have changed occupation from mercer (textile merchant) to weaver, and Rebecca would have been (at least) nearly 56 when Thomas was born.  However, Fleet Street is less than 3 miles from where the Larchers lived.

My gut feeling is that they are different Rebeccas, but is there a link?

Philip

[philipsearching]

Hi
Can't see a Rebecca on either 1841 or 51. Sorry.
The burial for Ann Rebecca was at St Matthews Bethnal Green.
Can't find a baptism either, the nearest is a NC baptism of an Ann HARLY, parents Timothy and Ann. At Holborn Lying in Hospital in 1784.
Claire

Claire - many thanks for checking.

It is reasonable to believe that Rebecca died before 1841 and that the death in 1838 might be her (despite the first appearance of the name Ann).  The given age (if reliable!) would mean she would have been in her early twenties when she married.

I think I will have to buy the certificate.

Philip

[amondg]

The Larcher who was buried 30 October 1836 is Sarah Larcher wife of Andrew Larcher.
She was Sarah Grafton and married Andrew Larcher 24 May 1790 St Mary Spitalfields.
Their children were baptized 1791 (another Andrew) at St Leonard's through 1811 mostly at Spitalfields. Ten found so far.
Andrew Larcher on 1841 census appears to be the above Andrew (widower of Sarah) he is a silk weaver at Gibralter Gardens, Bethnal Green. His death is recorded 1847 Bethnal Green buried 2 May 1847 age 72 of Princes Street.

My reasoning is a poor law examination of Andrew Larcher junior who states he was apprenticed to Andrew Larcher senior in 1806 to learn the silk weaving trade. He would have been 14/15 years old.
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Whereas the Andrew son of Andrew and Rebecca was not born until 1813 and was buried 22 July 1838 age 25.
Rebecca is still alive 1821 when daughter Ann Rebecca marries John Miller 27 August 1821 as a witness she signs Rebecker Larcher, other witness William Miller
Again a witness when daughter Esther marries William Stevens 23 June 1823.
I found it odd that Rebecca could write but her daughters could not.
Is it possible Andrew had already died by 1821, given the time period in question wouldn't the father have made his mark rather than the mother even though she could write.

[Barbara F]

Hi Philip

I will have a look through this whole thread later today as there is so much in it. The number of Andrew Larchers is definitely an issue and we need to distinguish between them.  The Rebekah I found is really too old to be having a child in 1820.

Barbara

[philipsearching]

Is it possible Andrew had already died by 1821, given the time period in question wouldn't the father have made his mark rather than the mother even though she could write.

Many thanks for this suggestion, and all the information.

Sorting out the different Andrew Larchers is a real nightmare.  This is not the best thread to deal with the various Andrews as there are other threads dealing with the Larcher lines
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=91844.msg4804466#msg4804466
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745484.msg5942702#msg5942702

I know from register images that my Andrew and Rebecca had 6 children (Esther 1804, Mary Ann 1806, Harriet 1811, Andrew 1813, and Thomas Mark 1820) from 1804 to 1820. They were living in Worship Street, then Gibraltar Gardens.  I have seen a reference to Ann Rebecca's baptism in 1801 but not an image.  Also, I have not seen images of the children's marriage registrations (except for Elizabeth to John Monks in 1828 where an Andrew Larcher makes his mark as witness).  Ann Rebecca is the first born child found so far, and this would suggest a Larcher/Hartley(Martley?) marriage before 1801.

Sadly, the birth found by Barbara_F for Rebecca daughter of John Hartly in 1764 is unlikely to be my Rebecca as she would probably be too old to be having a child in 1820.  However, I do think there must be some family connection.

The search goes on!
Philip