Winfred Thorne, b 1905, Newbridge

[RebeccaNZ]

Hi,

This is my one last try to see if I can find anything out about my great-grandfather's half brother before I look for a professional to try and help me.

This is the information that I have about the mysterious half brother:

First of all - I don't know if Winfred is his actual name because it doesn't look like that in the 1911 census which is the only record I have of him.
The info I have:
1911 Census - his name is hard to decipher, but ancestry has transcribed it as Winfred.
Winfred Thorne age 6, born abt 1905 in Newbridge, Monmouthshire Wales. Street Address: 33 Gordon Road, Blackwood, Monmouthshire Bedwelty.
Parents:
Edwin Thorne age 56
Alice Thorne age 49
Other's in household
Alfred Davies 16
Henry Wild 26
William Kingsley 39

My great, great grandmother Alice Thorne (nee Rumbol) was married three times, a widow twice. Her oldest son from first marriage (my great grandfather) was William Charles Shaw born Nov 5. 1881 in Surrey. Alice then went on to marry James Yates, and had one child - Alice Yates (who went to on to marry Harry Wild from this census), her last marriage was to Edwin Thorne (also a widower with other children) and their only surviving child seems to be Winfred but I can't find anymore information about him other than this census where I can't even read his name properly.

Here is some further info about his parents:
Father:Edwin Thorne
born 1855 in Creech Somerset, occupation: Hewer
Mother: Alice Louisa Rumbol (Shaw, Yates, Thorne)
Born 1864, Paddington, London
other half siblings:
Alice Emma Yates
Born 1890Southwark, Middlesex, married Harry Wilde, died 1963 but can't find any children for her and Harry,
William Charles Shaw
Born 1881, Lambeth Surrey. Moved to New Zealand, married Alice Maud Gregory in Bedwelty 1911.

Any help finding anything out about the Mysterious Winfred would be really great, I would just like to find a birth and anything else that happened to him - if he married or had any children.

[rosie99]

There was a Percival James Thorne baptised to an Edwin George & Alice Louisa of 27 Greenfield Terrace, Newbridge 3 July 1904

Birth Sep qtr 1904   
Thorne    Percival James       
Newport, M.    11a   296    

[silvery]

I'm thinking that this couple might be grandparents to Winfred, and that he or she wasn't born under the name Thorn/e. 

(Or maybe not, seeing Rosie's post above.) 

[rosie99]

The given names on the marriage match 
June qtr 1899   
Edwin George Thorne       
Alice Louisa Yates       
Newport, M.    11a   343

[lizdb]

There was a Percival James Thorne baptised to an Edwin George & Alice Louisa of 27 Greenfield Terrace, Newbridge 3 July 1904

Birth Sep qtr 1904   
Thorne    Percival James       
Newport, M.    11a   296   

I'd say that was him!   

[lizdb]

This is my one last try to see if I can find anything out about my great-grandfather's half brother before I look for a professional to try and help me.

Remember a "professional" will only have access to records in the public domain, the same as the rest of us.
They too will start with a close look at the 1911 census, bearing in mind the birth that Rosie99 found.

[davidft]

If it is Percival James Thorne the only likely marriage is this one

Marriages Dec 1940 

Thorne  Percival J  Vonk  Westminster  1a 1225   
Vo[n_]k  Helena F  Thorne  Westminster  1a 1225   

If you got the marriage certificate it should confirm his father's name and occupation that might help rule him in or out. There is then a possible death in 1982 in Kingston Upon Thames (Surrey), but as no middle name is given again you would have to buy the certificate to see what it says and if it helps

And if the marriage is correct there looks to be at least two children from the marriage

[lizdb]

Also a death for Helena Frances Thorne in Kingston in 2002 (bn 1915ish)

[rosie99]

They were at 38 Meadlands Drive, Richmond, Surrey in 1964/5 also recent register.