John SMITH married Mary SUISTED

[spades]

Hi Debsss,

The 1930 death certificate of John SMITH attached above isn’t terribly helpful as it doesn’t provide his parent’s names.

It seems to me that your enquiry has come full circle. I think that we should start again and proceed from the known to the unknown to see where it leads. With a common name like SMITH it is easy to become confused.

So, you said in your original post that John SMITH and Mary, nee SUISTED, were your great-great-grandparents. I can’t find a record of a marriage on FreeBDM. 

Do you have any record of John’s and Mary’s marriage? Do you have any idea where they might have married or lived (anecdotal, even)? Have you found them together on any UK Census? Do you have any idea when or where they died?

Do you have any other documentation or certificates relating to the family which might throw some light?

I agree with Ian's suggestion that it might be best to assume for the moment that SUISTED might be the correct name.

Spades

[Beg Clonrode...]

Just tidying away loose ends before the circle closes :-)

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The 1904 birth of Eric Claude KENDALL was registered in New Plymouth so that looks a promising lead to finding the identity of Carrie SMITH.

According to burial records the Carrie SMITH buried at Te Henui cemetery in New Plymouth would have been born in 1861, which is a long way from 1885 when John Edward Valentine SMITH junior was born. She may well be a red herring.

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The birth of Lisa Carolina SJÖSTEDT was recorded in...

Filipstads kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, C:7 (1779-1809), Page 399

There is an older brother August Pihl born in 1801...

Filipstads kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, C:7 (1779-1809), Page 375

Not sure if there are any earlier children. Can't seem to find a corresponding marriage.

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The Eliza SEASTEDT found by Ian may have been the Eliza STEVENS who married Adolf Fred SEASTEDT in New York City on Nov 27 1852.

Index to Marriages and Deaths in the New York Herald: 1835-1855
Stevens, Eliza   Spouse : Seastedt, Adolf Fred
Date/Year of Marriage : Nov 27, 1852
Location : New York City
County : New York

They share a plot at Green-Wood cemetery in New York.

Eliza SEASTEDT d.31 Dec 1873, Adolph F SEASTEDT d.18 Mar 1879
http://www.green-wood.com/burial_search/

Apparently this Eliza's Will is part of US Case Law (Thompson v. Seastedt 1875). Wonder how you could get to see a copy of the Will, assuming it still existed.

Will be most impressive detective work if this Ellen ROSE is the passenger Ellen ROOS travelling with Mary SJÖSTEDT

Regards
Beg

[Debsss]

Hi Ian and Spades


That is very interesting to me what you have written Ian...esp about Ellen and the possible connection / co-incidence.

The marriage cert states mother of bridegroom: family name at birth as Suisted. (m 11.07.1881) in the house of Mrs Barnett (bride's mother)

That is the only clue Spades that gives me a maiden name for  John Smith's (1856 - 1930) mother is the marriage cert. That is all I have on John's parents thus far.

[jamcat95]

Hi Debsss

The Charles Suisted in New Zealand actually got married in England in 1833. He wrote the name Suisted on the marriage record. It can be seen on a tree on Ancestry.
So he had already used this name in England before going out to New Zealand.... interesting I think.

Ian

[Debsss]

Hi Ian

At one stage I looked quite closely at that family (and found a lot about Charles' adventures - what an interesting life he had) but I couldn't make a definite connection to my Mary.    I have tried to find my Johns and Mary on a passenger list but that became too mind boggling.   

[Debsss]

Beg, I understand that married men (as opposed to single without children) received a higher pay rate so ...who knows...

[jamcat95]

Hi
I understand that, but I think it is strange that the name Suisted stated on the marriage certificate is not in some way connected to the Suisteds in New Zealand. I do believe there to be a connection anyway.

Ian

[Debsss]

Ian I believe so too 

[jamcat95]

The Eliza SEASTEDT found by Ian may have been the Eliza STEVENS who married Adolf Fred SEASTEDT in New York City on Nov 27 1852.

Index to Marriages and Deaths in the New York Herald: 1835-1855
Stevens, Eliza   Spouse : Seastedt, Adolf Fred
Date/Year of Marriage : Nov 27, 1852
Location : New York City
County : New York

Nice one....
I have found another census from 1870 on Ancestry with the same names. The first one I posted was from Ward 15, District 5. The one I am posting now is from Ward 15, District 2. The difference now is that the names look more like Suisted..??

Sustut Adolph
Sustut Lizzie
Rose Ellen
Rose Tycko

The names are as I see them. So Seastedt is now Sustut...!?
I do know that it says Tycko, it is an old Swedish name.

Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: New York Ward 15 District 2 (2nd Enum), New York, New York; Roll: M593_1033; Page: 42B; Image: 88; Family History Library Film: 552532

Ian