Frances ?

[Greaves]

I am trying to track down a Frances, birth name unknown, who was born - according to the 1851 census - in Brompton, Huntingdonshire c1801. She subsequently married a James Gilbert, who I believe was born in Bermondsey, London/Surrey, where the couple set up home and had several children: Eliza (1823), Sarah (1825), Mary Ann (1834), James (1838) and William (1841).

As always any help or advice will be much appreciated.

[davidft]

Looking at the 1851 census (when James has died) it says that daughter Eliza was born 1822 in Kensington, with that in mind there is this marriage


Name:James Gilbert

Spouse Name:Frances Favel

Event Date:19 Jul 1818

Parish:St Mary Abbots Church, Kensington
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea

To be doubly sure this is the correct marriage you could get the birth certificate of James junior or William who were born after civil registration started and so should have the mother's maiden name on their birth certificates

[sgf28]

Think this is Eliza's baptism:

Eliza Caroline Gilbert
DoB:29 Jan 1821
Parents: James and Frances Gilbert

Baptism:21 Mar 1824
Baptism Place:Saint Mary,Newington,Surrey,England

[sgf28]

Possibly another child:

Sophia Gilbert
Born:1 Sep 1823
Baptised: 21 Mar 1824
Baptism Place:    Saint Mary,Newington,Surrey,England
Parents: James and Frances Gilbert

[davidft]

Earlier baptisms of the children

Susannah Favill Gilbert   30 Apr 1820
Eliza Caroline Gilbert   21 Mar 1824
Sophia Gilbert   21 Mar 1824
Mary Ann Gilbert   30 Jun 1837
Sarah Gilbert   30 Jun 1837


Especially note the middle name of Susannah. There does not appear to be baptisms for James and William

[avm228]

In 1861 Frances appears in Southwark as widowed Frances BRITTON, 61 b Huntingdonshire, with her youngest son William Gilbert.

RG9/327/75/8.

A marriage 1851-1861 to Mr Britton (if there really was such a marriage) should give you her father's name and occupation.

[avm228]

She may have died as Frances BRITTEN, aged 71, Mar qtr 1871 St Saviour Southwark, frustratingly just missing the 1871 census.

[Greaves]

Thanks for the replies, though I'm still having problems. I did spot the fact that her name had changed to Britton in 1861, but have been unable to track down any marriage between 1851-61.

I'm also having problems with the various baptisms. If Eliza was baptised on 21 Mar 1824 at Kensington (as required for the suggested marriage), then Sophia could not have been baptised on the same date at Newington, Surrey.

The 1871 death looks promising.

So whilst I appreciate the help, I'm still confused.

[avm228]

Both the baptisms at replies #2 and #3 are shown as having taken place at St Mary Newington on the same date - no problem there. Siblings were often baptised together, and not always in infancy.  The parish register in this case helpfully records their birthdates as well.

Kensington is not shown as Eliza's place of baptism but as her birthplace - 1851 census.