Hi
I am trying to establish for my Kelly bro-in-law, whether his great grandfather, Daniel Kelly, was an uncle of Ned Kelly, as suggested by some trees on an online ancestry site. I've researched this quite extensively but as yet have no definite proof that Daniel was Ned's uncle.
The Qld Daniel Kelly was, according to records born in Co. Kildare, Ireland (while all of Thomas Kelly & Mary Kelly's other children, including Ned Kelly's father, John "Red" Kelly, were born in Co. Tipperary, Ireland. His birth year, based on his age at death on his death certificate, is estimated to be 1817. He emigrated circa 1849 & he married in 1850.
Red Kelly, according to records that I've seen, had a brother named Daniel, born in 1839, who emigrated to Australia in 1857 with 4 of his siblings on the ship, "Maldon." How can I verify this detail on emigration to Qld? Given that the Tipperary Daniel would have been only 11 at the time of Qld Daniel's marriage in 1850, it is highly unlikely, yes? that this was Red Kelly's brother, unless...the date of Tipperary Daniel's birth date is wrong. Red Kelly was supposedly the first son born to the infamous Kellys in 1820 (who married in 1819). There are several trees on an ancestry site that list another Daniel born in 1817 (his actual birth name could have been William Daniel or something similar & the first name was dropped?) as well as a Richard who was supposedly born (like Red) in 1820 but ended up in the US.
Qld Daniel's parents are not listed on his death certificate. In 1896 though, one might have been wary about claiming kinship with the infamous Ned, because of police persecution, publicity (with Ned executed in 1880)?
Qld Daniel (from Kildare) married a lady called Ellen Pacey (spelt Pacy on the certificate) in 1850. I'll attach a copy of this certificate too. Qld records have this marriage listed as being in 1854 when it actually occurred in 1850. In 1854 the Qld records state that a Margaret Pacey (spelt also Pacy) married an Edward Kelly (who like Daniel, came from Co Kildare) in Qld. Now, Margaret Pacey & Ellen Pacey were sisters who both came from Co Carlow in Ireland. It may be possible, given this, that Edward & Daniel were brothers? yet the online ancestry trees list Edward as having parents Mark Kelly & Julia Brennan (from Ireland) compared to Daniel's as Thomas Kelly & Mary Cody (ie Red Kelly's parents). I had thought when I bought the image of Daniel's Qld marriage certificate that it might have listed his parents' names but this information was not even requested by the Qld authorities; was this normal? I only bought the $20 copy; if I had paid for the $28 copy would this hold more information?
I would love some help on this one. I realise that if I could get the date & place of Red Kelly's father's death (ie Thomas Kelly), his DC might give some indication of his children's names & ages. There is conflicting information on this though. Someone online has him dying in NSW.
Please help!
Deb