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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 July 14 00:25 BST (UK) »
very sad - no clues on death certificate OR will! Death certificate after coroner's report said he was 73 - that might be accurate.

Anyone else found any other John Francis births for Kent (marden, Horsmonden, Goudhurst areas) for 1798 -1806?

Of the four possible on family search - John Francis christening:    12 March 1797    Bilsington, Kent,
father: James, mother: Philadelphia

John Francis   christening:    11 February 1798    Penshurst, Kent,
father: George Francis, mother:  Jane
   
John Francis christening:    11 March 1801    Ruckinge, Kent, England
father: John Francis, mother:  Elizabeth
   
John Frances christening:    3 July 1803    Lamberhurst,Kent,
father: Thos. Frances, mother: Elizabeth

Eliminated first (too early, distance) andLamberhurst - see previous post. Will now and see if the Penshurst John married anyone else ...

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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 08 February 18 01:59 GMT (UK) »
I may have eliminated 2 more JOhn Francis births but unfortunately the burial records on Family Search didn't have any more details than name, date and place - i.e. no parents, age.

If someone has access to these burials and can look for more details to confirm, that would be fantastic.

John Francis   christening:    11 February 1798    Penshurst, Kent,
father: George Francis, mother:  Jane


Is the JF who was buried in June 1799 this child? No age or parents mentioned.

George FRANCIS married Jane ?
Their children christened in Penshurst, Kent

1. Harriet 1797 buried 16 May 1797 (again no age or parents listed so I think that increase the chance that JF was the one buried at about 15 months)
2. John 1798 - possibly buried in June 1799 Penshurst
3. Sarah 1800
4. William 1802
5. David 1804
6. George 1807
7. Jane 1810
8. James 1813
9. Harriet 1817
10. Elizabeth 1820


   
John Francis christening:    11 March 1801    Ruckinge, Kent, England
father: John Francis, mother:  Elizabeth

Looks like father died a month before JFís christening and then JF junior died in August 1801. But no confirmation because no age or parents listed.

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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 08 February 18 02:39 GMT (UK) »
This is the one possibility that is still standing. Bilsington is 26 miles from Horsmonden where a John Francis married Sarah Ann Tompkins in 1825. I have no idea if there is a marriage register with more details that might help us.

1784   12 October   FRANCIS James   Philadelphia Venner   Kingsnorth   West Ashford   
https://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/results.php


Children christened in Bilsington
1. Philadelphia 13 May 1787
2. Wiliam 24 April 1789
3. Mary 16 April 1791
4. James 20 Jan 1793
5. Caroline 23 Nov 1794
6. John 12 Mar 1797
7. Thomas 19 Jan 1800
8. Elizabeth 14 Oct 1804
9. Sarah 1 April 1808

Of course - my John Francis might be none of the possible 4 in Kent. There might be other JF's born in Kent in the time period c 1796-1802 or he might not have been from Kent (fairly unlikely with both marriages in Kent).

Any help appreciated. Does anyone know what happened to John FRANCIS of Bilsington?

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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 08 February 18 03:11 GMT (UK) »
 John Francis  burial  6 jun 1799, St John the Baptist, Penshurst.   age 70

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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 08 February 18 03:53 GMT (UK) »
so the Penshurst one is back in play. Okay - I'll work away at that one.
Thank you. It is so helpful when they put ages on the registry.

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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 08 February 18 05:31 GMT (UK) »
George Francis  m  Jane Anscombe.  16 Nov 1796, St John the Baptist, Penshurst.
Witnesses    John Allison,  James Jenner.

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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 08 February 18 05:43 GMT (UK) »
"John Francis married Sarah Ann TOMPKINS (1806 H to 1837) on 10 Dec 1826 Horsmonden, Kent"

"and then after she died he married Frances PEARCE in 1836 in Boughton Monchelsea."

"John FRANCIS Ba otp married Fanny PEARCE Sp otp by Banns on 21 Mar 1836 at Boughton Monchelsea."

JF could'nt have been Ba otp if he was married before to Sarah.

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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 08 February 18 08:16 GMT (UK) »
John definitely wasn't a bachelor at his 1836 wedding because his elder children from previous marriage went with him on the William Bentinck to Wellington NZ in 1841.

A lot of registers get details wrong probably because they weren't concentrating or wrote them up later or didn't ask the right questions ...

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Re: John FRANCIS of Kent - baptism lookups
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 08 February 18 08:20 GMT (UK) »
So far with the Penshurst family I have found:

George FRANCIS married Jane Anscome 16 Nov 1796 Penshurst Witnesses    John Allison,  James Jenner.
Their children christened in Penshurst, Kent

1. Harriet 25 Jan 1797 buried 16 May 1797
2. John 11 Feb 1798  - I still don't know if he is 'my' John who later married Sarah Ann Tomkins (1825) and then Frances Pearce (1836).
3. Sarah 4 May 1800. Married Jesse Weddle 4thQ 1844 Tonbridge. . In 1851 theyíre living in Tunbridge.
4. William 28 Mar 1802. Likely married mary Young 28 Nov1824 P
5. David 10 Jun 1804. 1851 census, 45 unmarried living Walterís Green, Penshurst, ag labourer. 1861 heís a carter at Delvedeer Farm, Frant, still unmarried and serving the Weddel family. 1871 living in Tunbridge Wells with motherís relatives (surnamed Anscombe) and he is labourer and ?widowed 67 year old lodger. Died 1Q 1879 aged 74 (Tunbridge). Canít find a marriage on Free BMD
6. George 29 Mar 1807
7. Jane 15 April 1810
8. James 14 Mar 1813
9. Harriet 6 April 1817. Did she marry Stephen Parkhurst on 21 June 1832 Sevenoaks?
10. Elizabeth 13 Feb 1820
11. Mary Ann 1 Sept 1822. Did she marry Joseph Frederic Heath on 15 Sept 1844 

In 1841 is GF living in an institution in Chiddingstone? (only 4 miles from Penshurst)


Name:   George Francis
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1851
Event Place:   Tunbridge, Kent, England
Registration District:   Tunbridge
Residence Note:   High Street
Gender:   Male
Age:   78
Marital Status:   Widower
Occupation:   Labourer In General
Relationship to Head of Household:   Father In Law
Birth Year (Estimated):   1773
Birthplace:   Penshurst, Kent
Page Number:   29
Registration Number:   HO107
Piece/Folio:   1614 / 258
Affiliate Record Type:   Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Jesse Widdle
Head
Male
40
Hawkhurst, Kent
Sarah Widdle
Wife
Female
50
Penshurst, Kent
Jesse Widdle
Son
Male
10
Frant, Sussex
George Francis
Father In Law
Male
78
Penshurst, Kent
Henry Francis
Lodger
Male
22
Speldhurst, Kent
Jane Francis
Niece
Female
16
Speldhurst, Kent



Did George die between 1851 -1861?


Most likely christening for Jane Aynscombe is 29 Nov 1778 Chiddingstone, Kent (4 miles from Penshurst)

John Aynscombe married Ann ?