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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 10:33 BST (UK) »
The only Ethel Nellie Baker I can find on FreeBMD birth reg in 1887 was in Solihull district not Southampton. Searching on 1887 +/- 2 years gives two Ethel Nellie Bakers in 1885 (Bridgnorth and Fulham districts), none in 1886, 1888 or 1889.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 10:55 BST (UK) »
I may have the name baker wrong, one member of the family who lives near Aldershot is going to see if he can find any records, seems queer so many records can not be found.
Mary
Alley, Nottingham, Wandsworth, London
Brookes,  Sneinton, LondonNottinhamshire, Leicestershire
Cochrane, Glasgow, London
Caley, Durham, Yorkshire
Schofield, London, Hampshire
Solomon, London, Portsmouth
Williams Mary Ann, Middlesex
Twelftree
Bramley, Loughorough,  Leicestershire, Ireland, Scotland

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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 11:48 BST (UK) »
Clutching at straws but can anyone find any more information on this Ethel Nellie

Birth March qtr 1915 
George R Blackburn
mothers maiden name Rowley   
Farnham reg district    2a   262

Could this be her  :-\
Birth Sep qtr 1884 
Ethel Nellie Rowley       
Kidderminster    6c   247   

and poss marriage
December qtr 1902 
Frederick G Blackburne       
Ethel Nellie Rowley
Kidderminster    6c   385   

They are in Yorkshire in the last census but I can't see anything more on her

ADDED I could not see any other Blackburn(e) / Rowley marriage that fitted
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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 14:06 BST (UK) »
Finding a Blackburn in Yorkshire is no easy thing - plenty in my tree but not this one!

This certainly seems to fit with the correct quarter for George Raymond's reported birth in correct district for Aldershot.  Ethel Nellie Rowley's birth about 3 years earlier than that of Ethel Nellie Schofield but that is taken from reported age at death - so only as good as the informant knew.

So George R could have been born a Blackburn, then his mother and father separated, mother went to live with James P Schofield as his wife but could not marry because her husband would not divorce her.

This would account for no birth cert in Schofield name for George R and no marriage between Ethel and  James P.

There are two deaths for Frederick G Blackburns whose age at death would match with his stated age in 1911.

Q2 1928   age 51  Leeds vol 9b page 355
and
Q1 1955   age 80  Bradford  vol 2b  254.

If the former, the impediment to marriage would be removed in 1928. The latter one just outlived James P by a year, so would fit the theory.

In 1911 Ethel and Frederick Blackburn have two children, the boy dies a few months after census date - he could have thrown a spanner in the theory given his name, can't see what happens to the girl.   

The other thing, who was Peter John Schofield (informant on George R's death cert), I don't see that he had a son or a brother, but may have adopted, in that case likely to still be living.


 
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 14:56 BST (UK) »
They were exactly the lines I was thinking along LizzieL  :)

The George R Blackburn birth cert would confirm his middle name and whether his mother was Ethel Nellie Rowley.  If only we didn't have to wait so long for the next census.

tiawooster .. What was the address for Peter J Schofield when he was the informant on the death.

Rosie
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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 15:10 BST (UK) »
The other thing, who was Peter John Schofield (informant on George R's death cert), I don't see that he had a son or a brother, but may have adopted, in that case likely to still be living.

Using George and his wife's surnames there is a birth that is possible mid 1940's
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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 16:10 BST (UK) »
There is an article in Western Gazette 13 July 1934 for George driving without due care. It was his fathers car. He was living in Bournemouth then.

The Western daily Press reports same case on 10 July 1934, gives name as George Reginald Schofield. But newspapers are not renowned for being 100% accurate.

 
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 16:20 BST (UK) »
There is an article in Western Gazette 13 July 1934 for George driving without due care. It was his fathers car. He was living in Bournemouth then.

The Western daily Press reports same case on 10 July 1934, gives name as George Reginald Schofield. But newspapers are not renowned for being 100% accurate.

The good thing is that it says his father is James Percival Schofield  ;D
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Re: Birth certificate
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 16:28 BST (UK) »
And gives the address which matches with that in the Phone directories for the Schofield fruit shop.

If I've got the right birth, there is a corresponding death age 0 in the same quarter.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott