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Offline TonyR

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Have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?
« on: Sunday 13 July 14 09:18 BST (UK) »
Hi all, is it me or have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?

Long, long time ago, I noted a possible marriage for my Thomas Bailey of Odell to an Elizabeth Woodham in Sharnbrook 1737.  The IGI reference I have for this is A456824 but using that now doesn’t bring up the marriage.  In fact searching the new Family Search site without any reference or batch number for this 1737 marriage for Thomas, gets no results.

I am not sure (fading memory) whether A456824 was an IGI reference to a book or a film or an ‘extraction’ but there appears to be no further mention of it anywhere in the FS website catalogue

Anyway, I was going over my notes to see if Thomas was listed as ‘from Odell’ or ‘OTP’ in this marriage record, to try & prove / disprove whether it is ‘my’ Thomas marrying Elizabeth Woodham, but the Sharnbrook PRs seem to have disappeared.

Any help or advice welcomed.  Regards, TonyR.

Details I have so far: Thomas Bailey & an Elizabeth baptise the following children in Odell (P003531) - John 1739 bur.1746, Mary 1740 bur.1746, Abel 1742 bur.1743, Abel 1744 bur.1746, Thomas 1745, Kezia 1746, Elizabeth 1749, Mary 1753 (note about 2 years old), William 1753 bur.1753.

I don’t have Thomas’s baptism (maybe that is in Sharnbrook as well?) but I do have his burial in Odell - 3 August 1762 - written in Parish Register is "shoemaker died mad, occasion'd by ye bite of a mad dog"
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Re: Have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 July 14 09:58 BST (UK) »
Tony,
Still there. The following batch numbers for Sharnbrook are listed at the Archer Software site:
I048535, I04853, I04853, I048538, M005091, P005091, C021248,    C005092, M005092, C029388,    C146187.
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Re: Have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 July 14 10:10 BST (UK) »
Some years ago the LDS started a clean up of the old IGI in an effort to remove duplicated entries. But rather than deleting member submissions, it removed the extracted entry provided there was an identical member submission, thus debasing the IGI. The marriage is still on the IGI, but in the contributed section, which are very variable in quality and should never be relied on.

In 1737 you'll be lucky if the marriage entry has anything more than the two names.

David
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Re: Have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 July 14 11:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks David & Peter for your info.

Using batch I048536 Peter suggested brings up marriages all around 1737, but not the Thomas Bailey & Elizabeth Woodham one.

So it must be as David outlines, the contibuted one (which I can now see) meant the original extracted one has been deleted - after all even the contributed one must have had sight of this original extracted marriage rather than pluck it out of thin air - right?

Thanks again both for your interest.  Regards, TonyR.
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Re: Have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 July 14 11:23 BST (UK) »
The Sharnbrook marriage from the PR transcript on 29 Sept 1737 just has Thos BAYLEY to Eliz WOODHAM, it does not state if Thomas was from Odell. Is Bailey sync'd to Bayley?
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Re: Have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 July 14 11:48 BST (UK) »
Hi JohnP, not sure what you mean by is Bailey sync'd to Bayley, but all I was doing a while ago was noting any nearby potential marriages for the Thomas & Elizabeth having children in Odell.  There were various spellings in the Odell PRs, such as Baley, Baieley, Baily as well as Bailey, so i just used the most common one on here.

Having returned to my research, I was trying to find any info on the 1737 Sharnbrook marriage, to try & link the 2 Thomas together.  I guess Bayley is as good a way to spell the surname as any - it certainly sounds the same.

Can I take it from your post that the PR transcript exists & you have had sight of it, because I was beginning to believe I must have imagine it!  Thanks, TonyR.
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Re: Have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 July 14 12:06 BST (UK) »
Yes I have the Sharnbrook PR transcript....... there are 10 marriages between Apr & Nov 1737, The IGI on FamilySearch only has 10 entries relating to 5 of these marriages in batch M00509-1 Film 59985. As well as your Bayley/Woodham marriage not existing there are 4 others lost by this organization.
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Re: Have Sharnbrook PRs disappeared from the IGI?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 July 14 13:28 BST (UK) »
- after all even the contributed one must have had sight of this original extracted marriage rather than pluck it out of thin air - right?


Wrong! I've seen too many fictitious contributed entries.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell