(The) Princess of Wales pub, Wentworth Street

[Ruskie]

Wentworth street is only a hop skip and a jump from Christ Church so likely to be the Wentworth Street that I thought it was, and that still exists today. 

However I am disappointed that I have still not had any luck locating the Princess of Wales. 

[Ruskie]

Hi

  AND . . . .  The Princess Alice at #115/101(ish) in 1851/61

Princess Alice still stands, cnr Wentworth St and Commercial Road. Reopening 2014 under the name "Culpepper".  Previously went by the name "City Darts."

[Billiegirl]

It might be worth searching for Wentworth street in the 1841 census. Even though its a later time, you might find that the pub was still there, perhaps under a different name. I was able to find the site of a relative's shop in High street Rochester because it was located next to a pub which I was later able to identify.

 

[Ruskie]

That usually works Billiegirl, but the problem with this search is that the family was living there in 1780/90 and there are no censuses until 1841, and, it seems, more that one pub on Wentworth Street. So we would not know which pub might have previously been the Princess of Wales.

I may be wrong but am wondering if there was any reasoning behind the name Princess Alice previously being the Princess of Wales? I think the architecture of the pub as it stands now looks later (Victorian?), but it may have been rebuilt at some stage. 

[[Ray]]

"I may be wrong but am wondering if there was any reasoning behind the name Princess Alice previously being the Princess of Wales?"
Which is exactly why I mentioned it.

I'm still trying to find the lower-numbered end of Wentworth Street in 1851/61.
The Princess Alice is the higher-numbered end.
Anyone spot it? (Ruskie?)

The Budden family seemed to have owned/run pubs in that area for a long time (post 1851)
It may not be unusual . . . . .

Ray

[[Ray]]

Hi

Unnamed "pubs" . . . . .

Corner Wentworth St / Petticoat Lane
Wm Heaton

Southside Wentworth St towards Osborne St
Thomas Finan

Ray

[Niggles]

Ruskie

The Princess Alice has only been around since 1850 following the construction of Commercial Street. Some more info here:
http://wiki.casebook.org/index.php/Princess_Alice

Nigel

[Bookbox]

One of my relations, William Moody, is listed as a victualler on the baptism records for his children in 1787 and 1789 and his address is recorded as Wentworth Street.
I found a fire insurance record on London Lives for him in 1786 and the property insured is given as The Princess of Wales Head, Wentworth Street, but I can't find any further information about this pub and wherea in Wentworth Street it would have been.

For anyone searching, it may help to know that Wentworth Street marked the boundary between the parishes of Christ Church Spitalfields and St Mary Whitechapel. The north side of Wentworth Street was in Spitalfields, the south side in Whitechapel. See Horwood’s map of the 1790s.

http://www.motco.com/map/81005/F2.asp?page=F2

I've done the usual Google searches and there are some references to it in court papers on Old Bailey on-line around 1825 but nothing on pubshistory.com.

A bit closer to your dates of 1786-9, an Old Bailey trial of 1808 implies (I think) that the pub was on the north (Spitalfields) side of the street.

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18080914-6&div=t18080914-6

Assuming it was the same pub, searching for "Princess of Wales" rather than "Princess of Wales Head" may be more fruitful.

[Ruskie]

This is good Bookbox.  At least we now know which side of Wentworth Street the pub was.

I did look at the street on Horwoods map but could not see any pubs. Neither could I see any marked on any later maps. 

And Nigel, I am not surprised to learn that the Princess Alice was built in 1850 - I thought it looked too new.

I could not find any reference to it on deadpubs either (only those I listed earlier that were in Wentworth St) though 1780s/90s is probably too early for deadpubs ....