marriage Jane Graham and Joseph Rudd

[kevin4d]

I have an old IGI print out for a marriage of the two people above  on 1/1/1835 at St Lawrence,Appleby,Westmorland. It was submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church.

Can anybody verify the marriage please and if Joseph was a widower.

Thank you

[warncoort]

Submitted IGI entries are rarely accurate,quick check on familysearch draws a blank.When and where was their first child born,where were they born?

[kevin4d]

Joseph Rudd,I believe was married 17/12/1831 in Maryleborne,Middlesex to Jane Topping and had a child 8/9/1833 Edward Topping Rudd.

The next child from census returns is George Graham Rudd born 26/8/1835 in Appleby,

Following the logic of first child, ie mothers maiden name being the middle name and the document I have had several years from old version of family search I was wondering if :

a first wife died
b he married Jane Graham in 1835.

Equally the Jane in all censuses may be Jane Topping so I am trying to eliminate one Jane

[suzard]

Is this the family?

1841
Lower Southampton St St Pancras Middlesex
Joseph Rudd 40 Feather Merchant no
Jane 30 no
Edward 8 yes
George 6 no
Joseph 4 no
Reginald 3 no
William 9mths yes
(seem to be in a lodging house)
HO107 686 7 26 47

1851
58 George St St Pancras Mx
Joseph Rudd head M 48 Upholsterer Warcop Westmoreland
Jane wife 42 Carlisle
Joseph B son 14 Appleby Westmoreland
Reginald G son 12 Appleby
Jane S daughter 3 Middlesex
plus 1 servant & 9 Lodgers
HO107 1496 39 70

son Edward age 8 in 1841 was b Middlesex
e
so could this be Joseph/Jane's marriage?
Parish register
All Souls Marylebone Middlesex
Page 85 entry 253
17 Dec 1831
Joseph Rudd of the Parish of St Pancras in the county of Middlesex, a Widower
Jane Topping of the Parish of All Souls in the same county

Witnesses Christopher ? & Charlotte sorry cant read surnames

Suz

[suzard]

so it looks like Jane on the census may be Jane Topping and they went to Appleby after marriage and eventually back to Middlesex?  and Joseph was previously married pre 1831?

Suz

[BumbleB]

A birth certificate for one of the children would give the mother's maiden name.

I see that Reginald Rudd was registered in East Ward (which covers Appleby) in the September quarter of 1838.  Reference is East Ward volume 25, page 397.

[kevin4d]

Dear Suz

You are correct with census info which I have and the marriage date to Jane Topping. The only thing I did not have was that he was a widower.

Perhaps the person who put that on IGI was aware he was a widow and perhaps they assumed that because two of the children corn in Appleby had a middle name called Graham he was previously married to a Graham.Or perhaps there is a Graham somewhere else in the line( maybe Jane Topping's mother ) as James born in Appleby had a middle name Bewsher which was Joseph's mothers's maiden name.

Thanks for help and info

Kevin

[kevin4d]

sorry it was Joseph born in Appleby, not James.

Bumbleb, I am planning a visit to Kendal archives so I should be able to see mother's maiden name. Thanks for reminding me.

[Westmoreland]

Hi
To make things deeper
from my database
Joseph & Jane
had the following in Appleby
George Graham 1835
Joseph Bewsher 1836
Reginald Graham 1838

BUT

Joseph & Jane had
George Graham 1727
Joseph Bewsher 1818
Reginald Graham 1732

so unles my fingers have betrayed me which is always a possible
it leave the name open
Joseph in 1835 was a Draper
but in 1836 there is a Joseph as a publican
Rudd is a very big name in the area
regards
westmorland