William Charles Neilson (1856) - where did he go?

[Chiad Fhear]

Hi Annette

You got me going there for a minute, thinking cousin William had been traced!

I've found there are three entries on Trove:
     "The Riverine Grazier" Hay, NSW : Friday 22 July 1898
     "The Sydney Morning Herald" NSW : Monday 25 July 1898
     "The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser" NSW : Saturday 30 July 1898

Sadly, they all refer to a William Chalmers Nielson who died on the 15th of July, at Sidonia, near Hay, New South Wales, late manager of the Norwood branch of the Bank of Liverpool, aged 30 years.

Cousin William Charles Neilson was born in 1856 and would therefore have been aged 42 in 1898 

Appreciate your assistance nevertheless.

Chiad Fhear

[Rosinish]

Hi A………nice to see you online 

I noticed James Neilson & Frederica Anne Eliza De Lisle m 26 Sep 1845 when he was 35 yrs old !!!

There is a considerable time (7 yrs) before baby no.1 appears in 1852 which would leave room for a potential which I found b c1849 on the 1871 census although a variant Nielson not Neilson

At a guess without seeing the original this name would probably read as James but I’m not sure what the area “Lerkerk” should read

My thought is strengthened with the appearance of a William, albeit without the “C” with same approx. yr of birth as your man at the same time & both born same place making it possible for them to be brothers but just as interesting this “Hermas/James” has an occupation as Accountant Clerk which is a similar path as James Snr who in 1861 was a Solicitor

It would be good to work out this William’s occupation Appr Garenchamaker for future census

Name:   Hermas Nielson
Age:   22
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1849
Relationship:   Lodger
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Lerkerk, Edinburgh
Registration Number:   685/4
Registration district:   St Giles
Civil Parish:   Edinburgh Buccleuch
County:   Midlothian
Address:   6 Park Street
Occupation:   Accountant Clerk
ED:   70
Household schedule number:   69
LINE:   19
Roll:   CSSCT1871_164
Household Members:   Name   Age
Jaems Deas
39
Jane Deas
40
Robert Deas
17
James St Deas
7
David S Deas
5
John Mcke Deas
10 Mo
Helen B Deas
14
Cahterine Deas
12
Jane J Deas
10
Daniel Cassalina
56
Hermas Nielson
22
William Nielson
15
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Name:   William Nielson
Age:   15
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1856
Relationship:   Lodger
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Lerkerk, Edinburgh
Registration Number:   685/4
Registration district:   St Giles
Civil Parish:   Edinburgh Buccleuch
County:   Midlothian
Address:   6 Park Street
Occupation:   Appr Garenchamaker
ED:   70
Household schedule number:   69
LINE:   20
Roll:   CSSCT1871_164
Household Members:   Name   Age
Jaems Deas
39
Jane Deas
40
Robert Deas
17
James St Deas
7
David S Deas
5
John Mcke Deas
10 Mo
Helen B Deas
14
Cahterine Deas
12
Jane J Deas
10
Daniel Cassalina
56
Hermas Nielson
22
William Nielson
15

Thought it worth a ponder     

Anne Marie

[Rosinish]

Is it possible that Lerkerk, Edinburgh could be Inveresk 

Annie

[Forfarian]

That census is obviously from a transcription. You need to look at the original, which is available at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. It's pay-per-view but modestly priced, and will provide more detail thatn is in the message above.

[Rosinish]

Forfarian,

C F is a regular at New Register House 

Annie

[Forfarian]

C F is a regular at New Register House 

Good on C F then!

But the advice holds good for any transcription and may be useful to those who are not 'regulars': always check the original.

[Annette7]

I have looked at the original census page but the writing is atrocious.   However, re. birthplace the first longer word does not even look like Edinburgh which is listed lots of time on the page.   It looks like it begins 'Lellen..... which makes no sense I know.  Not even sure the surname is Nielson, looks more like Rolson to me!

Annette

[loobylooayr]

I have looked at the original census page but the writing is atrocious.   However, re. birthplace the first longer word does not even look like Edinburgh which is listed lots of time on the page.   It looks like it begins 'Lellen..... which makes no sense I know.  Not even sure the surname is Nielson, looks more like Rolson to me!

Annette

Hi,
I've no credits spare to look at original but on FindMyPast this boy is transcribed as William Rubson  a 15 year old Apptce Garnisher Maker born Selkirk, Selkirkshire.
The older lad is transcribed as Thomas Rubson aged 22 Accountants Clerk also born Selkirk.

Looby

[Chiad Fhear]

Hi everyone. Many thanks for all the responses, but I'm afraid, Annie, the William you found isn't cousin William.

Some more details ...
Frederica was 14 years James's junior - born abt. 1824 in France, d/o Robert de Lisle a Landed Proprietor, and Frederica Mills, and she died at 3 Abercromby Place, Edinburgh on 3 Nov 1859. She is in the 1851 Census with husband James, a Solicitor, Supreme Court. There are no children, but there are two "Visitors" listed that are, more than likely, Frederica's sisters, and a house servant.

James and the children - Frederica junior, Robert, Elizabeth and William were all at 3 Abercromby Place, St Mary, Edinburgh in the 1861 Census. Another daughter Cecelia died in 1859 age under 2

James remarried Anne Helen Rattray on 2 August 1864 and he died just 4 years later on 9 March 1868.
 
James seemingly ran into difficulties as this extract explains:
EDINBURGH GAZETTE: Friday, May 8, 1868 
"NOTICE is Hereby Given that the Lord Ordinary officiating on the Bills has, on considering a Petition by Hugh Paterson & Company, Carpet Manufacturers and Cabinetmakers, South Bridge, Edinburgh, and Hugh Paterson, the sole Individual Partner of the said Company, for Sequestration of the Estates of JAMES NEILSON, Solicitor before the Supreme Courts of Scotland, lately Residing in No. 16, Duke Street, Edinburgh, now deceased, granted warrant for citing Frederica Margaret Archer Neilson, Robert De Lisle Neilson, and William Charles Neilson, all Residing at No. 16, Duke Street, Edinburgh, the surviving Children of the said deceased James Neilson, and the tutors and curators of the-said Children, if they any have, for their interest, and Mrs Anna Helen Rattray or Neilson also Residing at No. 16, Duke Street, Edinburgh, Widow of the said deceased James Neilson,—the said, surviving Children and Widow of the said deceased James Neilson being his successors, in terms of the Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act, 1856 ..."

Daughter Elizabeth died in 1865 and, from the above, William was still alive and living in Edinburgh in 1868.

The search goes on

Chiad Fhear