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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #504 on: Wednesday 08 February 17 09:08 GMT (UK) »
Interesting theory.I had seen the record,but the grave does not feature in the transcribed Lledrod MIs to put it in context.The transcribed record(no original) reads as William(forename)Joseph Davies(last name).
There is an intestacy bond for an Elizabeth Davies in 1797 with son Richard,but again no MI to help.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #505 on: Wednesday 08 February 17 11:14 GMT (UK) »
The grave details that I saw say 'burial of William Davis 1799 ... relative, Joseph Davies'.
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Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #506 on: Wednesday 08 February 17 17:19 GMT (UK) »
The Intestacy bond is for Elizabeth, the mother of William and Richard, ex Penbryn.

[Indenture, being a mortgage for £300 from Thomas Richards of p. Lledrod, co. Card., gent., to Elizabeth Davies of p. Sputty Ystrad Meirick, co. Card., widow, of two tmt's called Penybryn-merllyd and Bryn-merllyd in said p. Lledrod. Dated 1764.]

  [ Declaration by Richard Davies of Penbryn, p. Llanvihangel Lledrod, co. Card., that the grant made by an indenture was made on the condition that the said Richard Davies would release the said tmt's to his brother before 7 April 1773, and that the said Richard Davies had not paid the £650 consideration money, and was not to pay it but to hold the said tmt's on trust for the said William Davies.]
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Richards in Anglesey. Liverpool, Cardiganshire.
Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #507 on: Friday 10 February 17 09:25 GMT (UK) »
  Off Topic.
                 Yesterday I found that I have another Grandson. He turns out to be the son of my first son, Peter. The child that I had already attributed to him was in fact the child of his second marriage and the 'new' son was the child of his first marriage. He has a son too so, once again, I'm a great-grandfather! Gosh!
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Richards in Anglesey. Liverpool, Cardiganshire.
Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.


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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #508 on: Friday 10 February 17 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Congratulations!
I'm  a bit busy for a day or two but will not give up.Meanwhile I wondered where you(assuming it was you) arrived at the following precision:-

http://derelict76.rssing.com/browser.php?indx=11431009&item=250


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Roger

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #509 on: Friday 10 February 17 11:15 GMT (UK) »
 I'm sure that the entry is basically correct. We've been working on this family for ages and the information that we've gleaned in all that time is contained in the entry. If you think that it's seriously flawed then we might as well pack up our trunks and go home. I'm ready to write the William  Davies connection into the tree too even though your criteria of having firm documented evidence for each and every person and event doesn't exist.
 I notice too that whenever I unearth a possible candidate for consideration you concentrate on disproving that connection without coming up, yourself, with an alternative. We're dealing with a population and place where only a handful could read and write, where there are no records of birth and marriage and where dates of death on gravestones, whether accurate or not, is all that we have. I work on instinct and common sense and, although I'm without access to the searches and expertise that you have, I haven't done too badly with my input on this topic.
 I genuinely feel that our race is run; we didn't actually win, mostly due to the lack of a finishing line and a referee but there we are, at least we had a go.
  I think that we can do no more on this Topic. Let's retire gracefully.
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Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #510 on: Monday 14 January 19 11:14 GMT (UK) »
I have posted this reply here as the data and speculation
seem more relevant than under the “Lledrod” post where
some relationships were originally queried.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=708963.msg6647094#msg6647094
Birth years have been calculated from the MIs at Lledrod
(copyright Cardiganshire FHS,2011),together with abode,
grave sequence and incidental information.

Elizabeth Richards 1745-1830 Tynllan
Her will refers to her daughter,who,I think is
Sarah Evans 1784-1839,and the wife of
Evan Evans 1770-1847 who is at Tynllan in 1841
together with their son John.
(I cannot find this marriage to give a maiden name,
but,presumably circa 1810,with children,as follows
William(1811),John(1815),Mary(1817) all on FreeReg

The Ceredigion Archives in relation to Tynllan,reference
a will of 1836 for William,the dates and family members
coinciding with William above.I CANNOT FIND THIS WILL.

There is a will separately for
William Evans 1755-1832 Llechwedd,Llangwyryfon
The relationship,if any,between Evan and William
(and possibly Jenkin Evans,1765-1833,PwllPridd)
could be key,*particularly as the will of this William Evans
is originally written in the name of William Richards with all
the beneficiaries referred to as Richards,but in the initial recital
Richards has been scored through and Evans substituted.*
Further,there are graves for sons of William and Mary:-
Thomas Evans 1795-1827
John Evans 1789-1830
Both MIs refer to them also as Thomas and John Richard
The will nominates “unsettled” family,Daniel,grandson John
(son of the late John,above),and William’s son and
executor David Richard(s),who presumably is resident at
Llechwedd in 1841,with his wife Mary,born circa 1805,
(marriage 1832,Lledrod,David Richard to Mary Morgan)
This David and Mary adopt Jane Morgans,daughter of Morgan
1800-1867 and Elizabeth Morgans of Llwyn(merchgwilym)


Speculation on the family of Mary Morgan,yields the following
possibilities:-

Daughter of David Morgans 1781-1854 of Ffosgoy
Daughter of Harri Morgans  1745-1837 Spite(and “late of Dolfor”)
husband to Mary Morgans  1779-1848
(given the age gap to Harri’s wife,he may have been married
before and David of Ffosgoy be his son,and Mary wife of David
Richard(s),his granddaughter)

Enough for now.

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Roger

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #511 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 10:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Roger.
             Your take on the links between these folk seems logical. I took the path of 'local usage' when I last looked at this ... children from previous marriages assuming the name of the 'new' parent resulting, perhaps, in the alteration to the surname of Richards in the William Evans will.
 Llechwedd, in 1841, as you point out, shows David Richards, (groan), his wife Mary and  Daniel, (B1835). In the cottage, close by, there lives a William Jones, (B1826), Margaret Jones, (B1827), Catherine Lewis, (B1821) and a Jane Morgan, (B1837). I don't know who the children in the cottage belong to as there are no parents shown. Jane Morgan is only 4 years old and is the adopted daughter of Morgan and Elizabeth Morgan that you refer to. The remaining three are possibly working on the farm, (81 acres).
 I still haven't been able to trace David Richards, (B1801) but he can be linked to the Richards families in Llangwyryfon that I haven't seriously had a go at yet. I believe that they may be the remnants of one of the two sons of Richard David for which I have no details.
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Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #512 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 10:51 GMT (UK) »
 I've just had a look at my stuff for Richard David, (D1727). He had a son William, his second eldest and one that I have no records for. I see that the William Richards, corrected to Evans, was born in 1755. This date corresponds to the grouping of the various grandchildren of Richard David and, with a suspicion of surnames used at that time, I shall now be looking for a William Evans, not Richards, of Llangwyryfon. (re-marriage of his mother, loose adoption etc.).
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Richards in Anglesey. Liverpool, Cardiganshire.
Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.