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Parents of William Amos (c 1785 - 1867) ?
« on: Monday 18 August 14 14:06 BST (UK) »
Trying to resolve this ancestor, the wisdom of the masses (ie Ancestry public trees :)) have his parents as William and Margaret Elliot, who existed and got married and had a kid called William in about the right place at about the right time.

However Williams death certificate in Ashkirk 17 Dec 1867 shows parents as Walter and Jane (nee Elliot). He was pauper at death so these is not likely a headstone anywhere for confirmation.

I get the feeling this may have been gone over before, depite my inability to search it out here, does it ring any bells?

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Re: Parents of William Amos (c 1785 - 1867) ?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 August 14 16:54 BST (UK) »
Death certificates can be wrong depending on the informant's knowledge.  Can you go by the children of William, i.e. was his first born son Walter or William and what was the second daughter's name?  That might help you as long as he did have children as they quite often used the Scottish naming patterns and he would name his first son after his own father. 

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Re: Parents of William Amos (c 1785 - 1867) ?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 August 14 21:59 BST (UK) »
Yes the name recycling was not lost on me, it makes the death cert look right.

William parents from ancestry public trees (most likely on scotlandspeople) William & Margaret, from the death cert Walter & Jane

Isabella parents were James & Christiana.

Kids, in order that I could find on ancestry and scotlanspeople; Walter, Nancy, Janet, James and Jane.

So William and Margret are missing, but so are Isabella and Christiana, so there is a good chance I have lost some kids.


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Re: Parents of William Amos (c 1785 - 1867) ?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 August 14 10:05 BST (UK) »
Was William still living with his son James at the Post Office in Ashkirk when he died? If James was the informant I'd give more credence to the reporting.

What about witnesses on OPR births for the couple's children?

North East Scotland above the Tay...
JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: Parents of William Amos (c 1785 - 1867) ?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 August 14 11:38 BST (UK) »
If you look at the first tree on ancestry the parents are shown as Wm and Mgt but when you go into it he has changed the parents to Walter and Jane.  As they married in 1824 and Walter was born 1825 it is likely he is the first son and I would agree with Jenny that is his son was the informant he may have known his grandparents.  With Walter being the first son I would say Walter.  But I can't find a birth for Walter jar only him on the census. Have you found a birth or christening, I can only find Nancy, Janet, James and Jane.

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Re: Parents of William Amos (c 1785 - 1867) ?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 August 14 13:37 BST (UK) »
@Jenny - at the most obvious fit on the preceding census he was living with James. He is listed as a sub post master rather than a retired shoemaker, but in the census before he is both so it all looks good.

Sorry about the polluted tree in ancestry, I do mark it WIP and where I am guessing I change the picture to a question mark. It is a shame Ancestry has pretty poor handling of privacy, it would be nice to hide copyright docs you own and have scanned in, or to mark whole branches private, but it is not to be.

The snapshot publically shared lags a bit, I returned the tree to as shown in the death cert and am working on the Amos's in other trees.

In one I have tried getting all the [sourced] Amos's in Roxburgh in that timespan together combining ScotlandsPeople and Ancestry, that is not looking good.

In another I am looking at putting the pedigree from Rulewaters people into a tree, that is not looking good either.

My next gambit was to see how many Walter Amos had died in the area, if it is just a few I may get the death certs and see who was a shoemaker, maybe he made it to registration.



(ps Yes - I have FTM so know I can do the private pic settings there, it is so good they are hidden from me online once it is clicked!)