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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 21 August 14 21:19 BST (UK) »
Hi There

You have said that Francis married Jane Dawson in 1872 !

You also say that he had a daughter Jane in 1872 !

Are you sure that these dates are correct ?

Jane on the census is only 18 (although I know that census can be incorrect).

If you could just clarify dates as I'm confused  ???

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 21 August 14 21:21 BST (UK) »
I have found Francis in 1871 in Portarlington.

He had a daughter called Maria, and his first wife was called Mary !

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/afdd6a0207945

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 21 August 14 21:24 BST (UK) »
OK SO

Francis McDermott's first wife was called Mary Clements !

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPYR-FLN

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #12 on: Friday 22 August 14 22:03 BST (UK) »
Hello Tara,
You are a gem.
I don't know where John was in 1901, he was a career soldier with 2nd Batt RDF I thought he might have been at the Boer War.
My Grandpa on my Mum's side who was also a career soldier was also missing from 1901 and thought the same about him.
On Francis and Jane cert she was listed from Lauragh her Father was Richard and he was a farmer.
It would fit that Francis was from Wicklow.
My Auntie Kath came
 to visit me in the 1970's and said she was going to Ireland to visit Uncle Bill, and her cousins I have some photo's from her visit, I have been looking for them in my files, it doesn't say on the back which side of the family he was from but some of them scenes from Powers Court and Avoca which I think is Co Wicklow.
Now our problem girl Jane 1872 I also thought they were cutting it a bit fine with Francis and Jane marrying in 1972.   Katherine was born 10th Oct 1973 to Francis Macdermot and Jane Dawson according to the cert south Dublin no4 they were living 1 James  Terrace and he was a waiter, the only other thing I can think of Jane could have been born 1873 Jan, and Katherine in Oct 1873.
It was my cousin who got all the certs when he was over in Ireland for a visit, and he e mailed them to me in New Zealand  where I had lived for 26 years, coming back to Uk  2 years ago.
Poor Mary Clements she must have been very young when she died.
It is a shame none of the senior members of the family are living to ask questions, I am the senior member now and ended up with all the photo's etc
And all the unanswered questions from both sides of our family John's wife Our Grandma Martha Ivy Fennell is another story pops up now and again and to confuse us she changed her name to Margret.
But that is the joys of researching.
Thank you again for all your help
Maureen


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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #13 on: Friday 22 August 14 22:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Maureen

Glad to be able to help.

There is still work that can be done on this family !

Would you like me to go on helping or was it just Francis' first wife that you were looking for ?

Let me know !

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #14 on: Friday 22 August 14 22:48 BST (UK) »
Hi There

Just to clarify one major error that you have made.

In your original post you stated that Jane Dawson was from Kerry.

She was NOT.

She was a Laois lady.

You have stated that her address at time of marriage was Lauragh.

HA You have made the major mistake of googling Lauragh, found a Kerry entry and 'ran with it'.

NO, the Lauragh that Jane was from is near Mountmellick in County Laois, near to the parish church that she married Francis in @ Coolbanagher.

I recommend that you change your family tree to rectify this !

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #15 on: Friday 22 August 14 23:12 BST (UK) »
Hi There

I can see John's military records and he was away in South Africa at the time that our census was taken in 1901 !

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #16 on: Friday 22 August 14 23:20 BST (UK) »
Hi There

I wouldn't get hung up on Jane Junior !

I think you can say that she was Jane's daughter for sure.

From what you are saying there is no paperwork saying that she was born in 1872.

I think there was an error somewhere along the way, as the only thing I can gauge her age on is the 1901 Irish Census which gives her an approx. birth year of 1882.

So, you have

Catherine McDermott b 1873 (based on the cert you have)
John McDermott b 1876 (based on rootsireland and military records)
Jane McDermott b 1882 (based on census)
Emily McDermott b 1885 (based on census)
Richard McDermott b 1887 (based on census)

If I was to hazard a guess I would say that Francis' first wife Mary died shortly after giving birth to daughter Maria.


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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #17 on: Friday 22 August 14 23:45 BST (UK) »
Just to answer ~

Yes, Powerscourt & Avoca are in Wicklow.

They are two major tourist spots so wouldn't necessarily indicate that those areas in specific are where the McDermott's originated from.

Interesting though in that there is a second Powers Court, in Dublin City Centre and Francis lived at the 'rere' of this on numerous records.

I'm interested as to what 'the rere' indicates. It's a very prestigious house but in a very built up part of Dublin. HUM I can't imagine dwellings of any sort there.

I wonder did Francis maybe work for whoever owned Powers Court at the time.

He must have had a fascinating life of sorts, travelling around, mainly it seems between Dublin and Laois working for a well to do family.

Intriguing !

Tara