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Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« on: Wednesday 27 August 14 22:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks to 'Emyr Borth', I know that my 2x great grand uncle, Wiliiam HUGHES was baptised at the Parish Church, Beddgelert on 31 May 1807 and I've made the assumption (based on other family information) that he was born in April 1807 in Hafod y Llyn in Nantmor, Beddgelert.

He is the one member of my HUGHES family where until recently I've had no other clues about him.
However, thanks to an Ancestry Hint for the 1851 Wales Census, there is a potential new development. Taking what I've found (so far), in my logical order, is goes:-

* 1841 Wales Census, William HUGHES, Farmer aged 30 living at Bryngelel, Llanfrothen with Margaret HUGHES (his wife?) aged 30 & Eleanor HUGHES (his daughter?) aged 2

* Select Wales Births & Baptisms, Eleanor, bpt 15 Jul 1839 at Llanfrothen, dau of William & Margaret HUGHES

* E&W Birth Index, 1839 Q3, F(f)estiniog, Eleanor HUGHES -- I have a copy of the birth cert & parents are Richard & Catherine HUGHES

* 1851 Wales Census, William HUGHES, Farmer aged 42. born in Beddgelert & living at Bryngelynan, Llanfrothen with his wife Jane (!) aged 45, born in Llanfair plus his children Eleanor aged 11, John aged 9 & Margaret aged 7 - all born in Llanfrothen

* Select Wales Births & Baptisms, John bpt 8 Aug 1841 at Llanfrothen and Margaret bpt 2 Jul 1843 also at Llanfrothen, both with parents of William & Margaret HUGHES

* 1861 Wales Census, Jane OWENS, Farmer's Widow aged 58. born in Llanfyhangel & living at Bryngelynan, Llanfrothen with son-in-law John HUGHES, Farmer's Son aged 19 & dau-in-law Margaret HUGHES, Farmer's Dau aged 17, both born in Llanfrothen

I'm hoping there's someone with some inspiration who can either tell me wheter I'm on the right track or nor or who can give me pointers on how next to progress this.

Thanks & regards, Rob DAVIES
(a recent joiner of the 'Ancients' -- 70 plus)
 
Hughes & Griffth(s) of Nantmor, Beddgelert
Williams of Bontnewydd
Edwards & Thomas of Harlech/ Llandanwg
Jones of Llanystumdwy
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Davies/David of Pentrych/ Cardiff , Glamorgan
David of Peterstone super Ely, Glamorgan
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Re: Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 August 14 09:46 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage at Llanfrothen Parish Church 26 Nov 1846 (Merionethshire Parish Records 1538-1912):

William Hughes (widower, farmer), son of Edward Hughes and Jane Owen (spinster), dau of Evan Owen. Both residing at Bryngelynen. William Hughes signed, Jane Owen by mark.

There is also a burial at Llanfrothen 27 May 1843 (Merionethshire Parish Records 1538-1912):

Margaret Hughes of Brygelynen, age 37.

Hope this helps.

Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 August 14 13:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Rob
Brynycelynyen (various spellings) is in Croesor. pa. of Llanfrothen. It's now a café/bunkhouse/gallery owned by the local community; just outside the village, on the side of the road up the valley from where you turn left at a crossroads into the village.
You should have posted last week, then I could have challenged you to take part in the Cnicht mountain race, starting/finishing in Croesor, which was last Sunday. I was 2nd in our age group (70+), out of 2!
The daughter Margaret, 27; her husband (head), Charles William, 33; a servant; 2 Boarders, quarrymen; and Jane Owen, Boarding, Widow,  68,  Annuitant,  Llanfair Merioneth, are at Bryncelynen 1871 Census.
There is a John Hughes of correct age (+/- 1), a servant at Carreghylldrem, which is on the side of the main Beddgelert/Aberglaslyn to Penrhyndeudraeth main road, near bottom of Croesor valley.
Emyr
 

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Re: Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 August 14 14:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dragon T.
This is all good news but the best bit of all is the confirmation that this William's father is Edward HUGHES, as this aligns with the baptism record for 'my' William HUGHES.

What could now be the final clincher would be the marriage record for William to his first wife Margaret -- I was hoping the birth cert for Eleanor would have given my Margaret's surname but unfortunately it was for the 'wrong' Eleanor.
As Llanfrothen is an adjourning parish to Beddgelert then there must be a very good chance that they were married in one of these two parishes.
Note:- In the E&W Marriage Index there is just one possible entry for William HUGHES -- registered in F(f)estiniog in 4Q 1838 but the two possible brides are both called Mary OWEN! So, I'm guessing that William's first marriage was before Jul 1837.

Thanks for your help
Regards, Rob
Hughes & Griffth(s) of Nantmor, Beddgelert
Williams of Bontnewydd
Edwards & Thomas of Harlech/ Llandanwg
Jones of Llanystumdwy
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David of Peterstone super Ely, Glamorgan
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Re: Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 August 14 15:00 BST (UK) »
Hello Emyr & it's good to hear from you again.

Thanks for 1871 Census info as adds to the picture.
I stopped at the 1861 Census as I did not want to go further until I was satisfied in my own mind that this William HUGHES was the same William HUGHES whose baptism you found five years ago.

Unfortunately my running days are well & truly over.
After I had to stop at the 8k mark in the Chichester 10k in Feb 2013, when I got a sharp pain in my left knee & then could barely even walk, it took several months before the specialist stated that I had a worn inner cartilage and would never be able to run properly again.
She said that for me it losing my shock absorber!

It means I'm now a regular (3-4 times a week) at a local gym trying to keep my leg strength by using the cross trainer, the bike machines (upright & lay back) & the treadmill for hill walking (at 5k per hour speed & 11.5% gradient). I also swim a quarter of a mile after each session so funnily enough my overall fitness is now probably better than when I was just running!.

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We had our honeymoon at the Gower Coast 48 years ago & it will be the first time we've been back!

Best wishes, Rob
Hughes & Griffth(s) of Nantmor, Beddgelert
Williams of Bontnewydd
Edwards & Thomas of Harlech/ Llandanwg
Jones of Llanystumdwy
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Davies/David of Pentrych/ Cardiff , Glamorgan
David of Peterstone super Ely, Glamorgan
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Re: Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 August 14 15:18 BST (UK) »
Hi

I found this earlier but assumed that DragonT had answered your query:

Marriage: Llanfrothen, 22 Jan 1834 William Hughes of this parish to Margaret Jones of Llanfihangel.

Hope this helps.


Gadget

(Sorry about another Jones but we all have them - I've got 8 separate lines of them  :-\

I've just found another line of them - the father of one of my illegit ancestors! )
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Re: Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 August 14 18:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks Gadget, this looks promising.
It may be co-incidental but William's second wife's birthplace is shown on the 1861 Census as Llanfyhangel.

No problems with the JONES surname as my great grandmother (mother of my maternal grandmother Jane HUGHES) was born as Mary JONES from Llansytumdwy -- so although David Lloyd GEORGE may not 'have known my father' (or his ancestors who all came from Glamorgan), he may have known my JONES ancestors!

Regards, Rob
Hughes & Griffth(s) of Nantmor, Beddgelert
Williams of Bontnewydd
Edwards & Thomas of Harlech/ Llandanwg
Jones of Llanystumdwy
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David of Peterstone super Ely, Glamorgan
Morgan of Eglwysilan, Glamorgan
Miles of Peterstone super Ely

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Re: Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 August 14 21:38 BST (UK) »
Sorry Gadget, but I should have asked in my original reply if the father of William (& of his bride Margaret) are shown on the marriage record.
If you don't ask, you can't find out the answer!
Regards, Rob
Hughes & Griffth(s) of Nantmor, Beddgelert
Williams of Bontnewydd
Edwards & Thomas of Harlech/ Llandanwg
Jones of Llanystumdwy
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Davies/David of Pentrych/ Cardiff , Glamorgan
David of Peterstone super Ely, Glamorgan
Morgan of Eglwysilan, Glamorgan
Miles of Peterstone super Ely

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Re: Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 August 14 21:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Rob

Sorry it didn't. Pre-1837 marriages  rarely did :-\

Gadget
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