Barnsley couple die Jan 1838

[Ruskie]

Ah, I see. 

I'm glad it's not just me who was confused.

These days I don't use Familysearch very much and must have selected the wrong filter, for Community Contributed records. My mistake. Alarm bells did ring when I read West Derby Derbyshire. 

Your theory/scenario does makes sense. 

[Jason46]

Hi Andy and Ruskie
Yes he was born illegitimate and yes, I don't know for sure what his mother's maiden name was. When George Barnsley, wife and two sons left for Australia, her parents, the Scotts traveled on the same ship but unfortunately both died in Australia within 2 years of arriving. I will order the death certificate for Thomas Barnsley. One daughter, my great grandmother, Anne Scott Barnsley was savagely murdered in 1863 at Fryers Creek. George Barnsleys parents may well have been cousins, of course!

[Geoff-E]

Yes he was born illegitimate and yes, I don't know for sure what his mother's maiden name was.

It seems to me that you know his mother's maiden name - BARNSLEY - but it's a father's name that is lacking.  Thomas could have been any male relative or simply a name concocted to give respectability in later life.

The link to Northampton is interesting as that city was the centre of the shoemaking industry, and George was apparently in that trade in 1841 census.

[Jason46]

I understand what you say George, but she may have used the father's name on the baptism record so that the child would not be illegitimate. Or maybe they were same-name cousins? It could go either way but someone was a Barnsley and the other we don't know.  I will have to order Thomas death Cert first, and then maybe his wife's.

[andycand]

Hi Jason46

There is no fathers name on the baptism. The link below is to the index on Familysearch which is extracted from the Parish Register.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3B4-RVZ

Andy

[Jason46]

Thanks Andy but I still think one possibility is that she 'used' the father's surname at the baptism to try to eliminate the slur of illegitimacy. Otherwise Barnsley married Barnsley. I have just written away to see if I can obtain Thomas' death cert

[Ruskie]

Thanks Andy but I still think one possibility is that she 'used' the father's surname at the baptism to try to eliminate the slur of illegitimacy.

But by not naming a father she didn't do that. George was still illegitimate, and seemingly no attempt to cover that up. 

[Ruskie]

Without my reading over the thread again, can I just ask you if your George was a schoolmaster or a shoemaker? Or neither? 

[Jason46]

He was a schoolmaster on the 1851 Census