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John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« on: Saturday 20 September 14 22:32 BST (UK) »
This is a follow on from a previous thread about my great uncle
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=698053.0

I am trying to find a birth record for his father, my Great Grandfather John Phillips born in Llangorse, nr Talgarth Wales. I have been to the church in Llangorse a few years ago and could not find his birth.

I have fond him on the following census returns show his age
1851 aged 11

1871  aged 35 confirmed
1881  aged 45 confirmed
1891 aged 55 confirmed
1901 aged 64 confirmed
1911 aged 77 confirmed

I have his death cert showing his death at 11th Nov 1919 aged 83 which is confirmed on his will which shows his son (my grandfather) Edwin Albert Phillips as the executor.

I also found a grave stone in Talgarth cemetry showing his wife Margaret Phillips (18.2.1915) which is correct as I have her death cert but the death date shown for him says 10th Nov 1919 aged 86!

I have not been able to find their marriage at all either.

I believe his father was William Phillips and mother is Amelia Pugh (can't remember at the moment where I got that info from) and I have their marriage cert showing they married in Talgarth church in 1839.

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Re: John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 September 14 10:45 BST (UK) »
Hi

Could this be your John and Margaret's Marriage details.
You would need one of their children's birth cert. to confirm it.

John Phillips Jun qtr 1864 Brecknock Breconshire
ref 11b    153

Margaret Davies
William Evans
John Phillips
Mary Price





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Re: John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 September 14 13:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Genechaser and thanks for looking for me. I am sorry however I should have said Margaret was Margaret Williams as I have two of their children's birth certificates.

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Re: John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 September 14 15:14 BST (UK) »
Hi cp
John, aged 2, is living with William and Amelia at Penllanafel, Llangorse in the 1841 census.
There is an entry in the parish registers for the baptism (April 27th 1850) of Thomas, to William and Amelia Phillips - William is a farmer living at Penllanafel.  There is the entry for a further child on 8th October  1853 (Robert) to the same named parents, but the name of their residence is now Cwm.
Thomas Phillips (of Penllanafel) is buried aged 3 weeks on May 19th 1850.
Amelia Phillips (of Cwm Llangorse) is buried 8th October 1853 aged 35 years

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Re: John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 September 14 15:20 BST (UK) »
As found on the other thread marriage of William and Amelia

 William Phillips married Amelia Pugh  27 Jul 1839 Talgarth, Brecknockshire, Wales
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Re: John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 September 14 15:22 BST (UK) »
Also 1851 census



 HO107; Piece: 2489; Folio: 718; Page: 18. Langorse


William Phillips   34  Farmer 79 acres                       Llangorse, Breconshire
Amelia Phillips   31                                                 Llanelly, Breconshire
John Phillips   11                                                 Llangorse, Breconshire,
William Phillips   8                                                   Llangorse, Breconshire,
Lydia Phillips   4                                                     Llangorse, Breconshire,
Elizabeth Jones   14   niece house servant                   Talgarth
 

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Re: John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 September 14 15:43 BST (UK) »
Thanks Groom for transfering the info from the other thread.

Hi MarMnkly, you do indeed appear to have found the correct family (thank you) as I have the marriage cert for William & Amelia Phillips which shows his address as Penllanafal and hers as Cwm Forest. I will have to see if I have got access to the parish registers anywhere, where do you get them from?

The marriage cert also show William's father as Robert so it makes sense that they would call one of the son's Robert.

I also have the death cert for Amelia and it shows that she died 5th Oct 1853 at Cwn, Llangorse.

We are getting closer but still no record of John's birth and it would be nice to find the family on the 1861 census to find Robert with his dad William.

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Re: John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 September 14 15:58 BST (UK) »
It is possible that John's birth wasn't registered as although registration was introduced in 1837, it did not become compulsory until 1875 with the Births and Deaths Registration Act. If this is the case with John, the only record of his birth would be a baptism.
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Re: John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 September 14 16:06 BST (UK) »
I fear you are right Groom that is why I was so disappointed to not finf it when I visited the church in Llangorse  :(