John Phillips of Llangorse birth record?

[MarMnkly]

Hi cp
I'm wondering if this is some of the family in 1861, given that the address is Cwm Forest, Talgarth   RG9; Piece: 4223; Folio: 80
Thomas Pugh, 55, head, farmer of 55 acres
Margaret Pugh, 58, farmers wife
Thomas Pugh, 24, unmarried son
Mary Pugh   20, unmarried daughter
William Pugh, 17, unmarried son
John Pugh   14, unmarried son
Lydia Pugh   88, mother ??
Mary James, 60, servant
John Phillips, 21, servant born Llangorse
William Phillips, 18, servant born Llangorse
Lydia Phillips, 15, servant, born Llangorse
John Worthington, 15, carter.

[cp]

Oh you star, yes that is them because Amelia's maiden name was Pugh and her father was called Thomas.

It would therefore appear that after Amelia died three of the children John, William and Lydia were taken in by her parents. It would be interesting to see what happened to William senior. I will search other census returns and death records.

[groom]

Surely that Thomas Pugh and Margaret Pugh can't have been Amelia' parents, they aren't old enough as if she'd lived, Amelia would have been 41 in 1861, they must be her brother and sister in law. Her mother would be the Lydia Pugh wouldn't she?

[cp]

Good point well made Groom  I would have noticed when I transferred the info ...honest 

[groom]

Here's Lydia in 1851 with her husband

HO107; Piece: 2491; Folio: 8; Page: 9
Talgarth


Thomas Pugh   85.                 Lanelien
Lydia Pugh.    78.                 Lanthrew
James Davies   14.     Grandson.     Talgarth

[groom]

Their possible marriage


Thomas Pugh
 15 Jul 1806
 Talgarth, Brecknockshire, Wales
Spouse's Name:   Lydia Davies

[MarMnkly]

Hi cp
not sure if this is the same Robert Phillips (baptised in 1853) described earlier, but there is a Robert Phillips aged 8, born Llangorse who is boarding in a house (looks like Pencaerach, Cwmdu) in 1861 with:
John Price, 35, head born Glasbury
Ann Price,   34, wife born Cwmddu
Mary A Price, 10, daughter born Cwmddu
Margaret Price, 7 daughter born Cwmddu
RG9; Piece: 4215; Folio: 6; Page: 6
MarMnkly

[cp]

Thanks, I will keep a note of the marriage and the census and see if they fit anything else.

John's baptisim, birth and marriage are very elusive aren't they? Everything else is slotting in really well.

If I could find the marriage cert at least I could confirm his dad was William but I guess if I have no birth cert I will never be sure about his parents being William Phillips and Amelia Pugh. Would you agree with that?

[MarMnkly]

Hi cp
just spent a bit more time looking through the parish baptisms for Llangorse on FindMyPast. Unfortunately I haven't found John's baptism, but have found another baptism for a Phillips living at Penllanafel, as follows:
December 12th 1833
Eliza, illegitimate daughter of Mary Phillips of Penllanafel.

Could Mary possibly be a sister to William Phillips (husband of Amelia)?

MarMnkly